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Re:The Online Education Revolution Drifts Off Course by noelwelsh on Wednesday January 01, 2014 @02:01AM (#6994444)
The continual focus on completion rates is rather misguided. Like others here, I have taken many a MOOC, and consider the experience useful and successful. I have also never completed a single MOOC, doing little of the homework in most cases. I have no use for more pieces of papers, and really no time to do homework, but I get what I want, which is an overview of a subject area and some entertainment while doing the chores. Learning about behavioural economics from Dan Ariely's course was one of the most useful things I did in 2013, and I am independently learning more about the field.

Obviously there are issues the MOOC providers need to resolve. It's not clear how they will make money, and if they really want to go the volume model they probably need to lower the level of the courses offered -- more Udemy than Udacity -- or offer some kind of recognised accreditation so that students can justify devoting the time required to really learn material. In the language of startups, with which I'm sure we're all familiar, they haven't found product-market fit. It may be the case that people like me are not considered useful by MOOC providers -- I'm unlikely to ever give them money. That's fair enough and I have no problem with it.

I find articles like the one linked rather annoying. It's clear that MOOCs are a thing, and what we really need is discussion of how they're going to integrate with the educational landscape, not sniping from the sidelines. In this case it's ok, as it's a journalistic organisation reporting on what happened. However I read the same thing from academics, which is a real shame. Many seem to get joy from the failures of MOOCs, no doubt because they see them as a threat to their livelihood. I'd rather see some engagement with the issue.

Re:The Online Education Revolution Drifts Off Course by octaveguin on Wednesday January 01, 2014 @03:37AM (#6994587)
I feel the same way about MOOCs and I suspect most of the audience does.

I'm curious why these organizations are pushing a sort of virtual class model at all. Wouldn't it be more useful to provide lecture series on topics alone? Perhaps add some social interaction but in a way more fitting of the medium.

Right now, I went to investigate your behavioral economics class and found that I wasn't able to view the lectures until some time in the future. Why hobble themselves and their users? Is it about a monetization model they envision in the future?

It's quite frustrating because there is some real value here. I'd love for MOOCs to start making big institutions sweat just a little.

Re:The Online Education Revolution Drifts Off Course by yummyfajitas on Wednesday January 01, 2014 @04:17AM (#6994634)
Indeed, the relevant number is not (students who complete) / (students who sign up). A better number to look at is (students who complete) / (cost of class) - i.e., an actual benefit/cost ratio. (It's not the best number, since it ignores the value gained by students who partially complete.)

If I pay $2,000 and have a 4% chance of completion, that sucks. If I pay $0 and have a 4% chance of completion, that's pure win.

Re:The Online Education Revolution Drifts Off Course by mathattack on Wednesday January 01, 2014 @07:26AM (#6994876)
And add the value of some learning along the way for masses of non finishers. One could argue this is still better for non-graduates as it still doesn't leave them in debt.
Re:The Online Education Revolution Drifts Off Course by testrun on Wednesday January 01, 2014 @02:54AM (#6994530)
I get the same value out of MOOC providers (more Coursera than Udacity to be honest), and find it fantastic to be able to learn about something without any financial obligation.

Also would like to see how they are going to survive financially, and if the universities will keep supporting them.