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Re:Rap Genius And The Problem With The Venture Capital Fuele... by prostoalex on Sunday December 29, 2013 @07:59PM (#6982450)
The premise that "venture capital and growth hacking go hand in hand" seems like author's personal opinion and not a widespread maxim. Would the tactics have changed if RapGenius' funding came from a private equity group, friends and family, or an old-school bank? Unlikely, since it was business requirement, not requirement spelled out in terms of financing.

In fact, someone using far more egregious and manipulative "growth hacks" has been self- and customer-funded http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/01/the-dark...

Re:Rap Genius And The Problem With The Venture Capital Fuele... by minimaxir on Sunday December 29, 2013 @08:53PM (#6982598)
Without investors expecting a 10x return in a couple years, risky growth hacking tactics to sustain exponential growth aren't necessary.
Re:Rap Genius And The Problem With The Venture Capital Fuele... by stevesearer on Sunday December 29, 2013 @11:14PM (#6983004)
What they were doing is no different than what thousands of other websites do to game Google. Except that instead of paying for links with money they were paying for them with traffic from tweets.

I don't really understand why buying links is suddenly called "growth hacking" when a startup does it.

Re:Rap Genius And The Problem With The Venture Capital Fuele... by calbear81 on Sunday December 29, 2013 @11:29PM (#6983047)
Seems like anything that is "hustling" is called "growth hacking" now a days. We applaud startups that make it to the big leagues and idolize how much they hustle and break the rules and then when someone does break the rules, everyone jumps in to tell them how bad they are.
Re:Rap Genius And The Problem With The Venture Capital Fuele... by lazyjones on Monday December 30, 2013 @12:09AM (#6983133)
What the investors want or do is their responsibility; what funded companies do is their own and expectations of VCs are no excuse for such practices. They're not "necessary" by any means unless the company has a business model centered on spamming.
Re:Rap Genius And The Problem With The Venture Capital Fuele... by PakG1 on Monday December 30, 2013 @01:13AM (#6983315)
This unfairly ignores the influence investors can have on the company. Investors have a timeline for getting a return on money, known as investment horizon. Sometimes their bets don't work out, and sometimes the horizon is a bit too aggressive for the company. But when the investors normally have board seats and possibly other vectors of influence, you can't ignore how an investor's investment horizon influences strategic business decisions.
Re:Rap Genius And The Problem With The Venture Capital Fuele... by dmk23 on Sunday December 29, 2013 @08:07PM (#6982474)
Without venture capital RapGenius "growth hacking" tactics would never attract as much scrutiny.

If RapGenius were not a company going out of the way to promote their "VC pedigree" (even if this is what happened indirectly, because that's what the people / press / bloggers wanted to talk about), they would be a lot more likely to fly under the radar.

Even if someone were to write the same kind of post about their "growth hacking" that started the whole "scandal", it would be less likely to make the top of HN and attract a close look from Matt Cutts...

They were trying to have it both ways - generate huge publicity and do something that does not go well with increased scrutiny. Live by PR, die by PR.