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Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by jawerty on Sunday December 29, 2013 @03:08PM (#6981072)
I'm not sure if it's right or wrong what Google did, but it was certainly a shit business decision. It's Google's job to be a proper search tool for anyone to get the best possible results when searching something as simple as "rapgenius". If I search "rapgenius" and don't get the hugely popular website http://rapgenius.com as the first result, then that's bad service on Google's end.
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by cynicalkane on Sunday December 29, 2013 @03:27PM (#6981179)
It's a game theory thing. There have been and will be a huge number of sites that would do anything to be #1 on Google.

In an iterated game, punishments must have a deterrent effect. They might seem disproportional, but Google's goal is not "do what's best for the world in this one instance, ignoring the long-term effects". Google's goal is "make sure nobody will try to cheat Google's algorithms, now or in the future." This is how you build the best search engine in the long run.

It would be the same if Google didn't dominate search, though they'd have to be more careful about optimally calibrating the punishment.

(N.B. This argument remains true even if other people are gaming Google right now.)

Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by tptacek on Sunday December 29, 2013 @03:32PM (#6981211)
Well put. Also, maybe RG made things worse for themselves with their "apology", which attempted to point out other misdeeds by competing lyrics sites. Had that argument prevailed, the message sent might have been "it's probably safe to game Google as long as you can find other successful-seeming sites playing the same game", which would be a very bad precedent for Google to be facing.
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by fragsworth on Sunday December 29, 2013 @03:14PM (#6981098)
> but it was certainly a shit business decision

Not really, because they're using this kind of punishment to make an example of them in order to prevent future SEO abuse by others. It's probably for the better.

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Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by jonknee on Sunday December 29, 2013 @03:28PM (#6981183)
Almost no one will notice as long as they get their lyrics.
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by schrodinger on Sunday December 29, 2013 @05:41PM (#6981816)
Consumers don't have to notice, rap genius and other sites considering similar tactics do.
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by Destitute on Sunday December 29, 2013 @03:23PM (#6981148)
The abuse already goes on, and it's much more involved and 1,000% more effective than trading links.
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by mschuster91 on Sunday December 29, 2013 @03:18PM (#6981124)
+1. Even if RapGenius did cheat, they are still the best solution for Google's customers (i.e. those sheep whose data can be mined and sold).

So I don't get why Google essentially fucks up with their customers.

Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by jonknee on Sunday December 29, 2013 @03:27PM (#6981173)
Why is RapGenius the best result for Google searchers? I just want lyrics, if Google can get me to them I am happy. RG has a ton of bloat that I don't want or need.
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by sejje on Sunday December 29, 2013 @03:46PM (#6981292)
Because when you google for "rapgenius" the best result is unquestionably rapgenius.
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by mikeg8 on Sunday December 29, 2013 @04:07PM (#6981395)
That's true but that is just one query, I'd assume an overwhelming of RG's organic traffic didn't come from searching the company name.
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by 001sky on Sunday December 29, 2013 @05:22PM (#6981730)
No, when you have the website you don't need to "google" it.
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by leen on Sunday December 29, 2013 @06:32PM (#6982061)
> No, when you have the website you don't need to "google" it.

You have the company name, not necessarily the website. It could be .com, .net and probably reasonably well a few other ones.

Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by notastartup on Sunday December 29, 2013 @05:23PM (#6981738)
> " I just want lyrics, if Google can get me to them I am happy."

This is what I said when I met with Milun Tesovic from Metrolyrics, and what was more shocking is that they were licensing lyrics and paying royalties for it and that they used jQuery to block people from copying and pasting lyrics. You could be sued for copying pasting "copyrighted" text and that every other lyrics site were using "pirated" text.

You telling me consumers can't copy paste the words to "bitches aint shit but hoes and tricks " (Dr. Dre 1992, Chronic) because they are paying royalties for it out of their own pocket?

Needless to say, the traffic between azlyrics and metrolyrics reflects this. Former has been trending up for the past few years, while metrolyrics have stagnated and is less frequented than azlyrics.

Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by mcbaby on Sunday December 29, 2013 @03:25PM (#6981161)
I don't think it's fair to make that kind of teleological evaluation... Yes, RapGenius may be the best solution for google's customer. However, if Google permits shady SEO tactics simply because the ends justify the means, then what kind of precedent are they establishing? They would be encouraging that kind of behavior. As a heavy RapGenius user, I'm upset with what occurred, but from an objective standpoint, it makes sense why Google made its decision.
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by Destitute on Sunday December 29, 2013 @03:25PM (#6981159)
Kind of like Too Big to Fail. Hmm...
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by jonknee on Sunday December 29, 2013 @03:40PM (#6981260)
Humorously, now that RapGenius is dead in SERP it is not a hugely popular website.
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by ZoFreX on Sunday December 29, 2013 @06:37PM (#6982091)
I agree; I just shrugged and made a mental note to use Bing whenever I look for lyrics. I already use it for image searching and translation.
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by norswap on Sunday December 29, 2013 @06:01PM (#6981899)
I've geen getting the same old spammy sites in my results for years. Why not start there instead of the genuinely useful rapgenius?
Re:Rap Genius Traffic Has Dropped By Over 80% by loceng on Sunday December 29, 2013 @05:25PM (#6981750)
People couldn't search for lyrics on Google before Rap Genius came along?