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Re: Shopping for Spy Gear: Catalog Advertises N.S.A. Toolbox by louwrentius on Sunday December 29, 2013 @09:33AM (#6979614)
It is fascinating that if they just would inform vendors on their security vulnerabilities and have them patched, that this would probably make us more secure than the eavesdropping they can do with the exploits.
Re: Shopping for Spy Gear: Catalog Advertises N.S.A. Toolbox by danielweber on Sunday December 29, 2013 @09:54AM (#6979681)
It depends on the resources involved.

A big assumption that lots of bug-hunters make, that "this is one of the last bugs, and once fixed, the product will be much more secure." But there are always more bugs. If you assume that are more exploitable bugs beyond the one you are fixing now, it means that the vendors and customers have to spend time and money patching things, and won't really be any more secure afterwards.

Also "if I found it, so can The Bad Guys" is something that applies to individuals and small research teams. It's not necessarily the case that when the NSA finds something that other people are going to find it, too.

Also, unlike most security researchers, the NSA has the resources to monitor if other people are exploiting the vulnerabilities they found.

I'm not saying that the country wouldn't be safer if the NSA disclosed these vulnerabilities to vendors. I'm only saying that many of the common heuristics that researchers assume as true may not be, and especially not when applied to the NSA.

Re: Shopping for Spy Gear: Catalog Advertises N.S.A. Toolbox by jessaustin on Sunday December 29, 2013 @10:34AM (#6979835)
...there are always more bugs.

True but trivial. It's much more instructive to pay attention to the rate at which vulnerabilities are discovered. For e.g. qmail that rate is very close to zero per decade. For less secure products the rate varies over time; some researchers have noted a sort of "honeymoon" period that protects new code. Packages that don't in some sense eventually "settle down" after that period ends might ought to be replaced. Or perhaps they are important or unimportant enough to mitigate their vulnerabilities through other means.

Re: Shopping for Spy Gear: Catalog Advertises N.S.A. Toolbox by louwrentius on Sunday December 29, 2013 @10:23AM (#6979793)
We don't know what we are missing. The Iranian NSA may miss what we found. But it still is a dangerous game that is being played. Leaving the doors open and watch them closely. Or they just don't care for most organisations being compromised.