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Re:Bitcoin and positive vs. normative economics by ansible on Saturday December 28, 2013 @04:08PM (#6976598)
It's not simply throwing energy away into solving useless math problems; it's spending energy to create infrastructure.

I don't see how it is not the case that mining Bitcoins is throwing away energy.

If someone had made a crypto currency based on, say, protein folding [1], I could get behind that.

We could just create a crypto currency where we just hand out 100 units to every person. That certainly wouldn't require ASIC farms and such.

[1] Yes, I realize that the whole 'hard to do, easy to verify' bit is not completely obvious in the case of protein folding or SETI signals.

Re:Bitcoin and positive vs. normative economics by codeulike on Saturday December 28, 2013 @06:06PM (#6977070)
We could just create a crypto currency where we just hand out 100 units to every person.

Not without a trusted central party you couldn't. The work that goes into bitcoin mining is the 'distributed engine' that prevents double spending or forging of bitcoins. Bitcoin mining is not just a way of handing out new coins, its the very engine of the whole system. The only known way to break that engine is to control a bigger engine of the same spec (the >50% attack), and thats looking increasingly unachievable by anyone.

Re:Bitcoin and positive vs. normative economics by jellicle on Saturday December 28, 2013 @06:04PM (#6977063)
Nearly 100% of the attractiveness of bitcoin is the promise of infinite rewards to the early investors in the Ponzi scheme.

Bitcoin couldn't and wouldn't exist at all without that promise. So a simple system based on allocating 100 coins to everyone just wouldn't do at all.

Re:Bitcoin and positive vs. normative economics by james1071 on Saturday December 28, 2013 @08:48PM (#6977779)
Yes-it's a marketing trick.
Re:Bitcoin and positive vs. normative economics by SectioAurea on Saturday December 28, 2013 @11:02PM (#6978302)
Flowers trading food for pollination.
Re:Bitcoin and positive vs. normative economics by aaren on Saturday December 28, 2013 @06:18PM (#6977102)
I don't see how it is not the case that mining Bitcoins is throwing away energy.

The 'work' is actually the verification of transactions on the blockchain - the reward from mining is just an incentive to do this (mining & verification are tied up in the same process).

The energy expended in mining is necessary to validate transactions in the network.

You might be able to make it more energy efficient but you can't remove the energy expenditure.

Re:Bitcoin and positive vs. normative economics by SectioAurea on Saturday December 28, 2013 @10:57PM (#6978281)
This has actually been done. You can now do protein folding and SETI (and a bunch of GMO research) while mining. Gridcoin is working with the full cooperation of the UC Berkeley BOINC project and is compatible with your choice of dozens of research projects: http://gridcoin.us
Re:Bitcoin and positive vs. normative economics by ansible on Tuesday December 31, 2013 @10:44AM (#6990980)
That's an awesome idea. I looked into the implementation though... it uses the same software to mine litecoins, and you get a credit when running the BOINC program simultaneously. So I see that as easily abused, where you are running fake processing jobs instead.

Ideally, the BOINC processing would somehow be directly integrating into the mining itself. But again, I don't have any idea how that could actually be done. But it would be nice if that is possible.

Re:Bitcoin and positive vs. normative economics by aaren on Sunday December 29, 2013 @10:38AM (#6979855)
But not for ASICs mining bitcoin, unless they have a BOINC implementation that somehow uses sha256 as its core.
Re:Bitcoin and positive vs. normative economics by SectioAurea on Sunday December 29, 2013 @08:45PM (#6982578)
Correct.
Re:Bitcoin and positive vs. normative economics by hendzen on Saturday December 28, 2013 @10:16PM (#6978108)
Feel free to design your own cryptocurrency that does that. Nobody's forcing you to use Bitcoin.