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Re:”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls” by pavlov on Friday December 27, 2013 @06:30AM (#6970296)
Android is more and more like the mobile equivalent of desktop Windows. Now they have the huge pirate market in China too.

When this happened to Microsoft, certain strategy-oriented parts of the company were happy to see Windows spread everywhere as quickly as possible and deal with piracy later, whereas others were more concerned with the bottom line and how to extract revenue immediately. Google will have to deal with the same political questions.

It's funny how Android even has its own versions of OS/2 in the form of BlackBerry 10 and Jolla's Sailfish -- that is, competing operating systems that proclaim to be technically more advanced while offering reasonable app-level compatibility with the dominant system. (I suspect that BB10 and Sailfish will share OS/2's fate in a few years. Too little user benefit against the high cost of lacking access to the dominant vendor's services.)

Re:”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls” by RexRollman on Friday December 27, 2013 @07:00AM (#6970339)
Its worst than that. A least with Windows on PC clones, you have control over the hardware and can update to your hearts content. Android makers often change the interface and can interfere with you from getting updates.
Re:”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls” by pavlov on Friday December 27, 2013 @08:37AM (#6970537)
That's probably something that the PC clone vendors of the early Windows era (1990-95) would have loved to do, but they just didn't have the software competence.

Developing a new shell for Windows was technically possible, but must have seemed like an outlandish prospect to companies like Compaq or Dell. ("Where are we going to hire a bunch of C developers who know GUIs and can do a better job at this than Microsoft? Forget about it.")

Some companies did go there -- for instance, HP had an advanced Windows shell called NewWave [0], but I don't think they ever built PCs specifically for it.

Today, the situation is very different. The executives at any old phone maker will look at Android and say: "That's just Java, isn't it? We have plenty of people who know Java. Hell, there's a school down the road where they train 100 Java developers every year. Let's do it! We can be a software company too, just like Apple!"

And of course we know how that turns out. But it will take a long time until the executives at all those LGs and HTCs will recognize that their organization sucks at software, because it's not a software organization at its core. (Nokia spent tens of billions of dollars on Symbian and MeeGo until they finally got this lesson, and they ended up selling the phones to a software company.)

[0] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP_NewWave

Re:”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls” by tanzam75 on Friday December 27, 2013 @12:12PM (#6971481)
Isn't Microsoft also more restrictive when it comes to what parts of Windows OEMs are allowed to customize?

It's one thing to swap out PROGMAN.EXE, as HP did with NewWave. But you're not allowed to interfere with the ability to run Windows Update.

Re:”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls” by tadfisher on Saturday December 28, 2013 @02:56AM (#6974371)
That's just the bargain Google struck with carriers and OEMs. They have the reins on Google services, but allowing OS customization was a concession to get third parties to adopt Android as the de facto iOS competitor. And OEMs and carriers love to push their own customizations to build revenue streams.
Re:”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls” by bad_user on Friday December 27, 2013 @03:16PM (#6972412)
Funny that you mention that, since my Nexus 4 was upgraded to KitKat as soon as it was released, my first generation Galaxy S is on Android 4.3 (thanks to Cyanogenmod), while my home desktop is still on Windows XP (OEM), because Windows upgrades have been very expensive. The situation is much better with Windows 8, but coupled with taxes, I still would have to pay about 150-200 EUR in my country.

Microsoft's entire business model has always been OEM prebundling, in which updates happened by buying a new computer. That is why many companies are STILL on Windows XP.

Anything else is bullshit coming from young people that haven't felt how the industry evolved during the nineties. And Android is very unlike Windows because Android is open source, Android can be ported by third-parties and Android can be forked.

Re:”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls” by hrkristian on Friday December 27, 2013 @12:26PM (#6971559)
Then again, Android comes in different flavors while Windows does not. There is a trade-off there, and you'll usually get the same or better upgrade frequency from an Android OEM than from Microsoft.

For those interested in having the latest version (most consumers aren't even aware their device is outdated, or don't care) there's CM and similar options. Driver issues exist with some hardware (Samsung Exynos for instance, prime example), and that's a shame, but it's not much different from going to GNU/Linux on x86, which I find is comparable (more up to date, generally better performance and UX, non-proprietary, but some hardware incompatibility)

Re:”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls” by yogo on Friday December 27, 2013 @11:32AM (#6971275)
My peeve is that even when Windows came with all the bloatware crap that was bundled by OEMs there was a way to uninstall it. On Android you have all these apps (Facebook and the like) that you often can't uninstall without rooting the device. I guess that's just some of the poison that comes with it being open: carriers can do even worse than with Windows.
Re:”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls” by rwmj on Friday December 27, 2013 @12:12PM (#6971478)
Microsoft used to strictly control the look and feel of the desktop, so OEMs were not permitted to add a new desktop or uninstallable software. The equivalent of TouchWiz wouldn't have been possible on Windows.

References:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/11/11/no_surrender_gates_d...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/06/22/phoenix_readies_plan...

Re:”No one at Google is Returning Our Calls” by tanzam75 on Friday December 27, 2013 @12:18PM (#6971514)
> Microsoft used to strictly control the look and feel of the desktop, so OEMs were not permitted to add a new desktop or uninstallable software.

That ended after the antitrust case. As part of the settlement, Microsoft was required to allow OEMs to preload anything they wanted on PCs. It doesn't matter if it's bloatware or a new shell -- Microsoft can't say no to any of it.

For example, Lenovo is now preloading Pokki on many of its Windows 8 PCs.

While the antitrust settlement was binding only on Microsoft, other OS vendors will now look at the Microsoft example to see what restrictions they're allowed to get away with.