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Re:I wrote the Anarchist Cookbook in 1969. Now I see its pre... by IgorPartola on Friday December 20, 2013 @12:11AM (#6940042)
Both you and your parent comment are incorrect. Self-defense vs first strike becomes a gradient very quickly. And the biggest issue is that the person interpreting what happened is usually the one that used the violence.

But back to the main point, there is a world of difference between "self-defense" and "violence used to prevent additional violence". Self-defense is immediate: someone is punching you, so you punch back. The other thing... it doesn't have to be. In my mind, self-defense is justified. But self-defense is defined as "have no other reasonable option", and thus is fairly narrow. If you can negotiate, if you can protect your interests by deterring the enemy, if you can eliminate the enemy without violence, by say sanctions, etc. then you have options and it's not self-defense. Also, self-defense is not the condition where violence is the best option. It's only self-defense when violence is the only option.

Perhaps violence is justified when it's not self-defense, but I don't think you can call any first-strike "self-defense" in order to gain the high moral ground.

Re:I wrote the Anarchist Cookbook in 1969. Now I see its pre... by Crito on Friday December 20, 2013 @02:10AM (#6940339)
Gandhi implored the british to not defend their country, their homes, their families, or themselves. It's a stance against self-defense, something that is almost universally considered an acceptable time for violence.
Re:I wrote the Anarchist Cookbook in 1969. Now I see its pre... by precisioncoder on Friday December 20, 2013 @07:06AM (#6941012)
Tibetan monks have attempted the same and due to differing circumstances they have lost. It's interesting how similar techniques offer varying success rates based on all the other factors at play.
Re:I wrote the Anarchist Cookbook in 1969. Now I see its pre... by maaku on Friday December 20, 2013 @05:48AM (#6940826)
To pick a nit, that is a strange meaning of the word "universal".