Today, however, the violence of the current regime goes beyond just violence against other humans. Today the current regime is committing violence against the human species, and threatening that species with extinction.
Violent acts that may stop the extinction of life on Earth are not only justified... they are morally obligatory.
We are in the last hours of humanity. The species won't be saved by squeamish old boomers.
Who is threatening the human species with extinction. I can think of several ways that humanity could go extinct, but none of them would benefit any government. Be specific.
The only remaining debate is whether we will experience apocalyptic horrors of Biblical degree, whether just humans will go extinct, or whether all life on Earth will go extinct. These are our three possible futures. The Permian mass extinction has oft been cited.
You are morally condemned for your ignorance. You are part of the problem. Shame on you.
Why would you even make that argument? What possible help could that be?
It doesn't matter WHY governments are causing the extinction of the human species. All that matters is that THEY ARE. If some institution, system, person, class, group is accidentally causing the extinction of the species, it matters not what their motive is. Any violence toward them that could be successful is morally obligatory. Even killing 90% of the human species is preferable to extinction--destroying all technology for instance is preferable to extinction.
Why are you making dumb arguments that we should do nothing in the face of scientifically proven extinction threat? Do you WANT the species to end?!
You are actually so threatened by what I'm saying that you feel the need to follow me around on HN and add your worthless 2 cents. It's actually rare to see your kind of empty, mindless blabber here on HN. But it does make me laugh.
I will happily live with a range of people with a range of moralities, but I would not be comfortable living with people who easily justify violence on utilitarian grounds, even if they are claims about the extinction of a species. These claims have to be vetted. Appropriate responses have to be weighed and considered. Unfortunately, a lot of immoral action has been justified "for the good of the many".
wibkemarianne, I'm not saying that I understand your views on morality, nor am I saying that you are necessarily a utilitarian. But what you've said implies some possible overlap.
Here is how I would frame the problem. Climate change is a collective action problem involving individuals, governments, businesses, and many kinds of incentives and moralities. What are some practical, moral, feasible ways to address the problem?
wibkemarianne, you wrote above "Any violence towards [some institution, system, person, class, group is accidentally causing the extinction of the species] that could be successful is morally obligatory." What is your basis for this? What is your definition of morality?
The who and why matter because they give important information on how to make change. They also weigh in on morality. Many (most?) people try to make choices that advance their goals.
Let's say that a set of groups is part of some arbitrary problem. Let's say that no one of them is fully responsible, but they all contribute to the problem. At what point, if any, is the problem serious enough to justify harming the groups somehow? How confident are you that you understand the problem well enough to justify the harm? Who decides? You have said that in some cases violence is morally obligatory? Whose morality?
The above paragraph is only one way to view the problem. Another important perspective is to focus on "how we fix the problem" while working with the groups involved as partners. I'm not saying that men are angels. Neither are their organizations. But often fixing a problem is more important than assigning blame.
Blame, by the way, is a computationally difficult, if not impossible, thing to estimate. Sometimes, the blame calculation (e.g. the process of determining who is at fault) is uncertain, computationally expensive, and biased. It is no surprise that many moralities have some notion of "forgive and move on". It often channels your energy in more productive ways.
Lastly, even if there are cases where violence is warranted, one has to ask if it will have the desired effect. Practicality matters very much. I made my point because collective action problems, in my experience, are unlikely to be solved by violence. Collective action problems are often best solved by leadership or changing the rules of the game.
We don't need violent protests now that we have the Internet and can leak documents exposing government corruption and write about truths to inform people and allow them to vote in different politicians.