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Re:Start-up NY: 100% Tax-Free for 10 Years? by pragone on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @06:23PM (#6931686)
I just want to point out that there are large portions of New York that are not New York City
Re:Start-up NY: 100% Tax-Free for 10 Years? by tedunangst on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @07:11PM (#6931987)
Pedantically, the name of the city is just New York. Given the context ("or San Francisco"), I think it's clear he didn't mean to include Buffalo. "New York or California" would have meant the entire state.
Re:Start-up NY: 100% Tax-Free for 10 Years? by richardfontana on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @07:46PM (#6932140)
New York (city) native here. Usage of "New York City" for disambiguation by Americans, at least, became increasingly common beginning as far back as the late 19th century. But by the time I was a teenager (1980s) I would say that using "New York City" was ordinarily a reverse shibboleth for not being from New York, all the more so to write "NYC". (Where "New York City" tended to be used was governmental contexts, although "City of New York" is the more proper name of the municipality.)

At the same time, the older generation, such as my parents, used "New York" (or "the city") to mean approximately "Manhattan", a holdover from what the city was before the consolidation with what are now the remaining boroughs. That always seemed old-fashioned to me. I believe you can still see some old subway signs that use "New York" to mean "Manhattan". (Incidentally New York is also the name of the county that is almost but not quite coterminous with the borough of Manhattan.)

When I was growing up, the state was more or less never referred to as simply "New York" by people in the New York the city. It was "New York State", most of which was "Upstate New York" (though that couldn't refer to Long Island, and it was never quite clear where 'Upstate' began).

The reverse shibboleth quality of "New York City"/"NYC" is probably dying out, may be already dead. Nonetheless I find it annoying.

Re:Start-up NY: 100% Tax-Free for 10 Years? by avn2109 on Thursday December 19, 2013 @05:05PM (#6938250)
For the jaded Manhattanite, upstate ≡ 5 blocks north of the home/office of the person who is speaking. Since I work on 120th, everything north of 125th is upstate.
Re:Start-up NY: 100% Tax-Free for 10 Years? by _delirium on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @07:51PM (#6932158)
It's commonly used as shorthand, yes, but jrockway is commenting in response to a startup program that does include Buffalo, saying not to start your business in New York. I think pragone, responding in turn, was just pointing out that "don't start your business in New York [the city]" is not advice that's incompatible with taking advantage of the Start-Up NY program.
Re:Start-up NY: 100% Tax-Free for 10 Years? by thekevan on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @08:31PM (#6932318)
Plenty of times I have mentioned being from Rochester, NY when in Florida or California. People there often assume it is a part of or suburb of NYC. Even after I have told them I am a 7 hour drive from the city and never even visited it until after I moved to Washington DC at 26.

Wikipedia even notes the differentiation is important.

"The city is referred to as New York City or the City of New York to distinguish it from the State of New York, of which it is a part"

Re:Start-up NY: 100% Tax-Free for 10 Years? by mbillie1 on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @07:00PM (#6931933)
Exactly. Having grown up in between Albany and Saratoga, I'd be excited to see some more tech culture evolve there. I'm not tremendously optimistic, but if Atlanta can do it, why not Albany? (Atlanta being a similarly car-travel-intensive, sprawling pseudo-urban region)