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Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by jmccree on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @07:59PM (#6925133)
The US supreme court ruled that DUI checkpoints, where drivers may be stopped for a brief (~30 second) questioning to see if they appear drunk, but no answers are legally required, are legal here. This was a controversial decision and several states either passed laws or their existing state constitution prevent dui checkpoints.

The idea of a forced breath test without any evidence of intoxication is simply mind boggling to me.

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by DrStalker on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @09:16PM (#6925479)
Different perspective: I see it it as a requirement of holding a license and operating a motor vehicle that I have agreed to demonstrate I'm in a state capable of doing so safely when asked to do so in a manner that causes only minor inconvenience.

I'm in Australia, random breath tests have been around for many years and they have helped a lot with a culture of getting drunk and driving home.

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by darkarmani on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @03:51PM (#6930625)
> Different perspective: I see it it as a requirement of holding a license and operating a motor vehicle that I have agreed to demonstrate I'm in a state capable of doing so safely when asked to do so in a manner that causes only minor inconvenience.

What overly broad reasoning. Flip it around and apply it to other things that you could do to hurt people and you can apply that reasoning to all parts of your life.

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by philwelch on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @09:12PM (#6925461)
If you're driving a 5000 pound vehicle on public motorways, I don't see any problem with it. Driving is a privilege that's contingent upon following the rules, not a right.
Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by SamReidHughes on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @11:18PM (#6925874)
Actually, your worldview is wrong, and mine is right, and driving is a human right that is not contingent on giving up privacy rights, right to not have your car searched, or other rights.
Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by philwelch on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @02:01AM (#6926268)
If you have your own private motorway or racetrack with no one else on it, fine. But operating a vehicle on public streets and highways is a privilege. Not being run over by your drunk ass--that's a human fucking right.
Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @02:23AM (#6926308)
You seem so angry at the notion that somebody might have a different view than yours.
Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by corin_ on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @02:40AM (#6926342)
Maybe he got a little annoyed being spoken to by someone so smug they used the line "your worldview is wrong, and mine is right" without trying to be funny.
Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:11AM (#6926574)
My entire original reply was about philwelch blithely spouting his opinion as if it were relevant at all and that jmccree needed to hear it. It's a blatant replication of his smugness.
Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by vidarh on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:22AM (#6926609)
That's not how it came across to me at least. His reply came across as a reasonable part of a discussion, and you came across as being a total asshole. Your assertion it was a "blatant replication of his smugness" just reinforces that impression to me.

If that's not the impression you want to give, you might want to reconsider your approach.

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:36AM (#6926654)
I'm not interested in people's impressions of me (and it doesn't bother me a bit if they think I'm an asshole -- I guess I'm just selfless that way).
Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by placeybordeaux on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @09:59AM (#6927792)
That doesn't make you selfless, that makes you selfish, because you only care about what you think of your self and ignore what others think of you.

Enjoy it while the delusion of being right lasts!

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by adrianoconnor on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @06:33AM (#6927008)
Actually, his worldview closely matches the world out there, and yours doesn't, so technically his worldview is right.
Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by placeybordeaux on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @12:28AM (#6926068)
Are you serious?

Where did you get the idea that driving is a human right?

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by jmccree on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @11:32AM (#6928478)
Perhaps from the UN? "Everyone has the right to freedom of movement and residence within the borders of each State."

In the US, for probably 90% of the country there is no easily accessible public transit, cabs are financially infeasible for the working class, and attempting to walk down roads without sidewalks is very dangerous, and outright illegal for interstates and some highways. For a large percentage of the population, taking away the "privilege" of driving would entirely remove their right to move about the country freely.

When there is no alternative to driving to reach a grocery store, your place of employment, etc. can it really be considered a privilege?

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by philwelch on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @01:23PM (#6929411)
By that reasoning, people who either can't afford cars or can't be trusted with them (DUI convicts) have no ability to travel freely. There are lots of infrastructure changes that should be made to fix that problem, so enshrining the right to drive cars around is neither a complete solution nor an especially efficient or safe one.
Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by jmccree on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @02:52PM (#6930148)
Not being able to afford a car is an entirely different matter from the government forbidding you from driving one. As for DUI offenders etc, once they've served their sentence they should have the right to drive like anyone else. During their jail or probation sentence, obviously they forfeit many civil rights.

It's a far easier problem economically to focus on those who can't afford a car than to build out public transportation networks. Perhaps in the future when there are driverless cars everywhere, driving could be a privilege. As it is now, and for the foreseeable future, driving is a requirement for many americans. I moved to a city with public transit to avoid driving, but not everyone has that option, and it's important to remember that.

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by philwelch on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @09:48PM (#6932588)
> It's a far easier problem economically to focus on those who can't afford a car than to build out public transportation networks.

That's a very shortsighted statement. The costs of universal driving in terms of property damage, human injury and death, unproductive time spent commuting, traffic, inefficient urban design, resource expenditure, road maintenance, etc. are significantly higher than those of public transit.

And if you don't believe me about people who simply can't afford to drive, what about people who physically can't drive, like the blind? Or people who physically shouldn't drive, but are sometimes forced to do so, like people who suffer from narcolepsy or get intermittent seizures?

The only reason people don't have the option of avoiding driving is because of poor public infrastructure decisions and in some cases poor personal decisions when we can easily afford to do otherwise. Why do we make these poor decisions? Because we think driving our fat asses around in 5000-pound behemoths is a "right" that needs to be accomodated everywhere, but walking and cycling aren't. It's not science fiction--people managed to do without cars for thousands of years.

Setting all of that aside, if you're operating a motor vehicle that could easily kill people out of inattention, you're putting the public at risk and you have a responsibility to demonstrate you can do so competently and responsibly. Not being killed by cars is a more important right.

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by SamReidHughes on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @04:15AM (#6926582)
Use your brain and try thinking of one of the many plausible ways one might come up with that opinion.
Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by randac on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @07:55AM (#6927244)
Blunt force trauma?
Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by DanBC on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @08:30PM (#6925302)
I think people are okay with it if police are friendly and polite, and if there's some benefit.

Mass breath-testing programme always get a few complaints, but I think they'd get a lot more if people realised how few drunk drivers are caught, or if police were rude. Blowing into a tube for X seconds is invasive, but sobriety tests (walking a straight line, touching your nose, etc) feel weirder to me. (I realise that in both US and UK neither of these can be done unless they think you're drunk, and GP post was talking about tests done with no suspicion of drunkeness).

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by girvo on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @10:06PM (#6925650)
Nah driving is way too dangerous to not have safety requirements involved like random breath testing. Driving kills far more people than it should, and drink driving is part of the reason.