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Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by nitrogen on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @03:54PM (#6923886)
> Only if we're punishing them under the same circumstances, which I don't agree is necessarily the case. I think we should punish someone who marks graffiti in order to mark gang territory or intimidate others more harshly than someone who does it as a prank.

This feels like it should make sense, but I think misses the forest for the trees. It's an example what I'd refer to as first-order thinking, or looking only at the immediate situation.

We need to be striving for higher order thinking. That is, we need to be looking at follow-on effects, which I'll analogize to looking at the second and later derivatives of a function, or looking at other elements in an interconnected feedback system (in the control theory sense).

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by tedunangst on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @04:44PM (#6924169)
What does this even mean?

Is not asking whether the graffiti was intended to intimidate somebody considering the follow-on effects?

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by nitrogen on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @07:38PM (#6925039)
It's considering an immediately adjacent effect, sure. But we can take one more step back and look at a still wider context: what led to the tagger to be in the habit of tagging to begin with? What will happen to the tagger and their community in the long run if all taggers are punished with the full force of the law? Is there some other course of action that would lead to a better outcome for both the individual tagger and the community as a whole?
Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by tedunangst on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @09:44PM (#6925575)
Like an after school chess club? What if the tagger chooses not to go?
Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by AnthonyMouse on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @09:58PM (#6925624)
> Like an after school chess club?

Sort of. How about an after school "chess club" where the kids who attend get free dinner, and there are a variety of educational activities to choose from in addition to chess? How about a free camp where you bus all the kids out to the nearest wilderness every weekend to learn archery and play sports, and the kids who attend don't have to worry about not having food and shelter for two days out of the week?

> What if the tagger chooses not to go?

Not all of them have to go. You don't have to solve the entire problem at the same time. And if it doesn't work, you keep trying things until something sticks.

The key point is that you need to be willing to spend the resources keeping kids out of jail that you would spend keeping them in jail.

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by lotharbot on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @11:37PM (#6925936)
> "How about an after school "chess club" where the kids who attend get free dinner"

These sorts of clubs exist in some places, such as in my school [0]. They include everything from tutoring to other academic activities to free meals to summer programs.

[0] http://www.bgcmd.org/clubs/beacon-neighborhood-centers

Re:I Got Myself Arrested So I Could Look Inside the Justice ... by dinkumthinkum on Wednesday December 18, 2013 @03:04AM (#6926398)
You're rambling about math but I think based on your second paragraph, you should change the first paragraph to just "This makes sense" instead forest/tree stuff.