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Re:Google Dart target: Chrome soon, other browsers someday by pjmlp on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @01:20PM (#6922724)
I fully agree with you.

I will only touch Dart when it is natively supported in major browsers or required by our customers.

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Re:Google Dart target: Chrome soon, other browsers someday by sethladd on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @01:28PM (#6922778)
Why wait for the VM when you can compile to JavaScript today?
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Re:Google Dart target: Chrome soon, other browsers someday by pjmlp on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @01:57PM (#6923007)
Because customers only request JavaScript and I don't want to debug code generated from tools.
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Re:Google Dart target: Chrome soon, other browsers someday by sethladd on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @04:58PM (#6924257)
Have you tried to use source maps to help debugging? Plenty of compile-to-JavaScript languages support source maps, and even some CSS frameworks. Building complex/large apps without a compiler and tools is really difficult. GWT, Closure, TypeScript, Dart are all efforts to help developers build more interesting apps that scale. Building/compiling is just a natural step in the process, and source maps are a natural output of that process.
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Re:Google Dart target: Chrome soon, other browsers someday by pjmlp on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @05:11PM (#6924344)
As I repeated here multiple times:

- customers request JavaScript written by humans, not tools. As it makes them easier to get "resources"

- source maps are only an option on a few desktop browsers, no fun testing generated JavaScript on specific browser issues

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Re:Google Dart target: Chrome soon, other browsers someday by masklinn on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @02:16PM (#6923169)
Debugging of generated code has gotten leaps and bounds better in the past few years though.
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Re:Google Dart target: Chrome soon, other browsers someday by pjmlp on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @02:28PM (#6923279)
True for the desktop, when targeting certain browser versions, though.
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Re:Google Dart target: Chrome soon, other browsers someday by masklinn on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @02:48PM (#6923433)
Yes, your damping down of the excitement is 100% correct.
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