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Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by moron4hire on Sunday December 15, 2013 @03:40PM (#6910766)
The story from a couple of acquaintances that work there is that it's very much like a tech startup: doesn't pay very well, expects constant overtime without pay, and not very welcoming to female employees.
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by ama729 on Sunday December 15, 2013 @03:59PM (#6910832)
> and not very welcoming to female employees.

Even with a female co-founder? You would think that this kind of behavior would be less common with one.

(Though it might not be entirely surprising)

Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by moron4hire on Sunday December 15, 2013 @05:05PM (#6911122)
In general: people's attitudes towards the type of work and competency of women in certain roles entirely culturally engrained, not sexually engrained. Just because a particular company's boss is a woman doesn't mean she wouldn't see other women as not suited to particular jobs, or men more suited, etc.

In this particular case: The people I have met and talked to were on the web programming side, not product development. Between their stories and my own experiences at other companies, companies that focus on Area Of Business X tend to be founded by experts in X, and have no clue what Y or Z are even there for. So if ThinkGeek were, say, founded by product developers, then IT would get the short end of the stick all the same as if it were founded by sales people.

Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by wpietri on Sunday December 15, 2013 @05:51PM (#6911404)
Yes. There's a good study where the same resume was given to science faculty to rate, sometimes with a male name, sometimes female. When the resume had a female name, it was rated as less competent and deserving of a lower salary and less mentoring. Male and female professors displayed the same bias against the female resumes: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2012/09/14/1211286109
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by aestra on Sunday December 15, 2013 @09:00PM (#6912263)
Studies like this have been repeated over and over again. This bias is well ingrained in culture. Another good one was a study where people where given a story about a successful person then asked to give adjectives to describe these people. When the person has a male name the adjectives were positive. Female names got negative adjectives.

The other interesting thing is since the 1970s orchestras have used blind auditions where the person auditioning is out of view. Since then females in orchestras have increased dramatically.

http://m.nber.org//papers/w5903

Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by mikegreco on Sunday December 15, 2013 @08:37PM (#6912149)
A swirl of other high-level staffing switch-ups also occurred, including a handful of layoffs. Two of the people let go were the remaining co-founders: Vadnais, who essentially invented ThinkGeek, and Frazier, who coined the ThinkGeek slogan: “Stuff for smart masses.”

The idea of being a founder doesn't seem to mean much to them, so I think the scales tip towards the "not entirely surprising" side.

Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by jenfraiz on Monday December 16, 2013 @05:12PM (#6918210)
ThinkGeek's female co-founder here... It's true, I'm a founder and was let go. We sold the company early on and though I had a lot of input on hires, it wasn't all up to me, especially as we grew. I can't comment on how women were or are treated by management, but I always did my best to create an awesome culture for everybody regardless of sex, background or geek/nerd affiliation.
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by mikegreco on Monday December 16, 2013 @05:35PM (#6918323)
I very fondly remember ThinkGeek's early days, if you start a new venture, let the HN community know! I'll definitely be in line as a customer and I'm sure many others here would be too.
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by ama729 on Monday December 16, 2013 @05:19PM (#6918247)
Thanks for your reply.

It's good to hear that you did your best to create a good atmosphere there for everyone, and I wish you all the best in your other endeavors.

Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by Einstalbert on Sunday December 15, 2013 @03:52PM (#6910797)
If they're in California, their over-time without pay is illegal and I've seen more than one company get reamed by the Department of Labor over it.
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by gaadd33 on Sunday December 15, 2013 @09:39PM (#6912407)
How do most companies in California avoid getting caught Under federal law most salaried jobs are exempt from paying overtime, I didn't know that California had changed that.

What sort of overtime pay do programmers at Google and Apple get these days?

Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by flatline on Sunday December 15, 2013 @03:54PM (#6910808)
Hmm WaPo, Fairfax, I think you may be onto something here...
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by gaius on Sunday December 15, 2013 @04:49PM (#6911052)
Programmer is an exempt job.
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by rhizome on Sunday December 15, 2013 @06:00PM (#6911454)
Not always.
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by mhurron on Sunday December 15, 2013 @06:26PM (#6911587)
The only time I've seen where it wouldn't be exempt is if you paid them hourly.
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by stonemetal on Sunday December 15, 2013 @11:54PM (#6912982)
It isn't that simple. For a software developer to be exempt their salary must be above 83K a year[1]. That is why EA ran a foul of it even though their devs were salaried.

[1]http://www.gotovertime.com/computer_pro.html

Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by gohrt on Sunday December 15, 2013 @06:39PM (#6911640)
"Salary" jobs are exempt, but certain jobs are non-exempt by law, because the work is considered so hourly-like and non-independent that the "salary" is considered a sham.

(Example: You can't be a "exempt, salaried" clerk at a store if you are required to be at the store from 8am to 6pm and are required to do a specific set of tasks in a prescribed way.)

Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by mhurron on Sunday December 15, 2013 @07:02PM (#6911723)
That doesn't say anything about the situation where programmers would ever be non-exempt unless you paid them hourly instead of a salary.
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by moron4hire on Sunday December 15, 2013 @04:57PM (#6911089)
It's been illegal in every state I've ever lived in, but every employer I've ever had has expected it.
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by rhizome on Sunday December 15, 2013 @06:01PM (#6911464)
Then keep notes of your hours. When you leave, you can get paid for them.
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by paul9290 on Sunday December 15, 2013 @10:47PM (#6912715)
Good to know as a recruiter contacted me a week ago re: a position there.

Not sure why I hear disdain about recruiters. I find it flattering people want to find me a better gig.

Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by eru on Monday December 16, 2013 @01:33AM (#6913229)
I guess you haven't gotten enough annoying attention from them.

Recruiters' incentives are just enough out of line with your own as a job seeker to make them jarring.

Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by moron4hire on Monday December 16, 2013 @08:33AM (#6914574)
it is about as flattering as getting hit on by the sleezy guy wearing a leather shirt in a bar (who might actually work as a recruiter during the day). they attack anything that moves.
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by paul9290 on Monday December 16, 2013 @06:50PM (#6918731)
Unless you have capped out your salary I say use them to get the best deal. Though is there salary cap in our field?
Re:ThinkGeek: The nerd company at a crossroads by moron4hire on Tuesday December 17, 2013 @10:56AM (#6921759)
There is more to a job than just salary. It would also be nice to not have an asshole for a boss.

A potential employer's use of recruiters is a black-mark in my book. To me, it says they couldn't find anyone through their current employees' networks to fill the job. So either their employees have no friends outside of the company, or they are being honest about the company to their friends and their friends are staying away. Neither scenario is any good.

That, and I have never had a good experience with an employer that I came to through recruiters, while having had nothing but good experiences from working my network of friends.