Re:Bicycle Helmets and the law: a perfect teaching case for ...
by salvadors on Saturday December 14, 2013 @10:50PM
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>> They enforce the perception that cycling is dangerous.
> Is that so controversial though. Cycling, absent dedicated bike lines, separate bike paths, and very well organized intersections is dangerous.
The more cyclists there are, the less dangerous cycling is. Things that discourage cycling thus make it more dangerous for all other cyclists (and vice versa).
Re:Bicycle Helmets and the law: a perfect teaching case for ...
by nedwin on Saturday December 14, 2013 @11:45PM
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>Ok so 253 extra people will die from obesity. What about the ones that will not die but be disabled. What about those that don't die from falling of the bicycle but get disabled permanently or temporarily.
From the paper:
"Modelling studies have generally concluded that regular cyclists live longer because the health effects of cycling far outweigh the risk of crashes"
Re:Bicycle Helmets and the law: a perfect teaching case for ...
by D_Alex on Saturday December 14, 2013 @09:45PM
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>What about the ones that will not die but be disabled...
You mean disabled by obesity, right? I am sure there would be LOTS.
Re:Bicycle Helmets and the law: a perfect teaching case for ...
by baddox on Saturday December 14, 2013 @09:54PM
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I don't think bicycle helmets would often protect people in scenarios where they would have become disabled without a helmet.
Re:Bicycle Helmets and the law: a perfect teaching case for ...
by rdtsc on Saturday December 14, 2013 @09:57PM
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Saying both, looking at dead people is a bit too binary. Some people I know how are terribly obese are unhealthy and disabled in many respect. Some people who have been hit by cars while riding bikes also can get disabled but not killed. So looking at rates of deaths only might not paint the whole picture of safety.
It seems you'd need work upstream a bit to prove your point. The conventional wisdom is that bicycle helmets are a "good thing".
Ok so 253 extra people will die from obesity. What about the ones that will not die but be disabled. What about those that don't die from falling of the bicycle but get disabled permanently or temporarily.
> They enforce the perception that cycling is dangerous.
Is that so controversial though. Cycling, absent dedicated bike lines, separate bike paths, and very well organized intersections is dangerous. Heck, driving is dangerous, riding a bike among cars is even more dangerous from what I understand. Now, I don't have the data, you seem to have some, so I can't point to any studies right of the bat here.
> Finally, as the study showed, they are designed to only be involved in an accident between you and the road. Not another vehicle.
Well ok, the helmet protects the head. Hitting the road because a car hit the cyclist or a deer or someone put a stick in the spokes, I can see having a helmet, even one not designed for automobile accident protection as a better idea than not having one.
One thing I can see is the false sense of security. I buy that argument. Someone before talked (sorry, can't remember who or where or if it was study or not) how when they were riding alongside cars and if they had a helmet, cars actually drove closer to them, and if they didn't, cars gave them more room. That's interesting I think.