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Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by negativity on Saturday December 14, 2013 @04:54PM (#6907273)
I don't suffer from ADD/ADHD but I grew up during the 90's, when lots of kids in school, around me, were being put on all kinds of prescription medication, but most prevalent were the ADD/ADHD prescriptions.

Of the roughly 20 names I can remember, who I know for a fact were prescribed ADD/ADHD medications, AND who I knew growing up both before the medication and after, there was only one guy that obviously had problems, and he was a jerk in general, and I avoided him as a rule, regardless of whatever medical attention he may have been receiving. I'm convinced that the rest were pretty much plied with drugs in the name of school grades, and there was no medical basis for their "treatment". I'm sure there were many more than the ones I knew.

Years later, now that I am hopelessly dependent on my morning coffee, and can look back on past events equipped with a firm understanding of the nature of stimulants and their affects, from both a therapeutic and recreational perspective, I am all the more convinced that doctors are providing performance enhancing drugs as study aids, where no medical condition exists. Some weak-willed parents are simply swept up in the sales pitch and follow trends like mindless zombies, and other zealously ambitious parents don't even think twice about subjecting their kids to unnecessary medicine if it means success and bragging rights at dinner parties. Still other parents know what the drugs do based on first hand experience, and feel no qualms about providing their kids with something they'd readily consume themselves.

The only thing that gnaws at me, is that in quiet suburban parlance, people will happily refer to prescribing their kids "meds" with jaunty, upbeat names conceived by marketing departments, but never EVER will anybody admit to what's really going on. The first time I found a bottle of generic medication in my friend's bathroom medicine cabinet, the reality of all this dawned on me.

  AMPHETAMINE SALTS, 20MG
After years and years of middle school D.A.R.E. seminars, where local sheriffs brought in the folding display cases packed with examples of marijuana, blotter acid, coke vials and packets of crystal meth; after all the TV and radio public service announcements, after school specials, very special episodes of such-and-such-sitcoms, sunday school sermons, and heart-to-heart conversations with adults I could trust; after all the music videos, and tabloid coverage of celebrity scandals, episodes of Jerry Springer, and everything else, there in my hands I held doctor-prescribed amphetamines that my friend had been taking daily since he was a kid.

It was then that was when I realized everyone around me, young and old, all of them were just a huge band of highly-skilled bullshit artists.

Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by duaneb on Saturday December 14, 2013 @05:57PM (#6907466)
> weak-willed

Can you provide a definition for this? I'm fucking sick of people going through this process:

1. Struggle to understand someone's problem.

2. Give up.

3. Blame the victim.

If you see a problem, fix it. But nothing in your comment was at all helpful for the same people you were criticizing. This may come as a shock to you, but people struggle from different problems than you do. Some of them may seem easier to you because you don't experience the same thing.

Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by yetanotherphd on Sunday December 15, 2013 @11:35AM (#6909889)
"Weak willed" was referring to the parents, not alleged sufferers of ADD. Did you read the whole post, or did you just scan for words you don't like?

In context, "weak willed" referred to the fact that parents let themselves be convinced that their children had ADD when they should have known that they were being sold drugs that were merely performance enhancers.

Overall your post comes across as an angry rhetorical rant, while the original post had some interesting content.

The "solution" that I imagine the poster would propose is to recognize that Amphetamines offer advantages to almost anyone, and that either we should be honest about their use as performance enhancers, or find ways to distinguish between a genuine need for them, and their use for enhancement.

Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by duaneb on Sunday December 15, 2013 @01:36PM (#6910272)
Interestingly, while you are correct in my misunderstanding, I still have the same gripes. I personally take offense when someone attempts to illustrate their point with pejoratives rather than reason.
Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by yetanotherphd on Sunday December 15, 2013 @02:31PM (#6910500)
"weak willed" may have negative connotations, but I can't think of a less loaded word that would express the poster's meaning better.

"suggestible" comes to mind, but I don't think this is really the same thing.

And if the poster really believes that the parents are weak willed, I don't think that saying so can be considered as failing to use reason. In fact censoring oneself to use adjectives that carry less negative connotations, is a violation of reason.

Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by duaneb on Sunday December 15, 2013 @03:37PM (#6910752)
Simply observing that most parents don't research the medication they give to their children would suffice. I don't see any reason to attribute character weaknesses.
Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by deepak56 on Saturday December 14, 2013 @11:24PM (#6908374)
I would actually be happy if people even went through the 3 steps. More often it will just be: Can't identify with someone's problem - blame the victim.

Side note: The poster's username is 'negativity' after all :-)

Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by pedalpete on Saturday December 14, 2013 @07:02PM (#6907668)
Amphetamine is not a bad word, much like Nuclear, Fat or Hacker. It's all in how and what it is used for. I have no idea how much Ampetamine is in Crystal Meth or other illegal substances (Google wasn't very helpful with this, I'm sure as always, somebody here on HN knows), but just because something has Amphetamine does not automatically make it a bad thing.
Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by MichaelGG on Sunday December 15, 2013 @07:47AM (#6909203)
Methamphetamine is sold legally in the US under the name Desoxyn. I've read comments indicating that in double-blind trials, methamphetamine is not distinguishable from other amphetamines (apart from dosage).
Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by j_baker on Sunday December 15, 2013 @06:43PM (#6911656)
Desoxyn is kind of a "drug of last resort" for ADHD. Most of the time Adderall is sufficient, but there are some people who just don't respond to anything else.
Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by OGC on Saturday December 14, 2013 @07:48PM (#6907793)
> Google wasn't very helpful with this

Try harder, have some amphetamines

Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by j_baker on Saturday December 14, 2013 @07:51PM (#6907802)
I take steroids for allergies. Did you know that methamphetamine is also an effective ADHD drug? Cocaine is a great painkiller for facial/nasal injuries. Then again, there's a whole class of illicit drugs that make effective painkillers.

The point is, just because your DARE teacher told you to to say no to something doesn't mean that a doctor shouldn't prescribe it and a patient shouldn't take it. Sometimes, drugs that are harmful in the wrong dose are good when prescribed and taken correctly.

Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by lfuller on Saturday December 14, 2013 @06:59PM (#6907660)
It could be that, or perhaps these substances "without accepted medical value" have been vilified for years without adequate rational thought, and in fact help certain people live normal lives.

I wonder if the label on a hepatotoxin such as "ACETAMINOPHEN, 400MG" gives you pause.

Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by Houshalter on Saturday December 14, 2013 @08:39PM (#6907935)
Just because they didn't "obviously have problems" doesn't mean they didn't.

They are amphetamines but so what? It's a much lower dose, prescribed by a doctor, and is not considered to be addictive. A lot of bad drugs are/have been used in medicine.

Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by thro2 on Saturday December 14, 2013 @05:23PM (#6907361)
this is great writing.
Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by chris_wot on Saturday December 14, 2013 @06:11PM (#6907526)
I hope you're being sarcastic!
Re:The Selling of Attention Deficit Disorder by kordless on Saturday December 14, 2013 @06:15PM (#6907538)
What are your parent's professions, if I may ask?