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Re:NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden docum... by lukev on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @04:14PM (#6850231)
Sure you can! Join the 60% of the world's population that _don't use the internet at all_.

Or the 20% of the population of the _US_ that don't use the internet.

You can even still use a cell phone, if you want - just buy a prepaid mobile with cash.

And aside from awkwardness with your friends, you might even find such a life quite livable. You'll experience no material hardship.

Re:NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden docum... by tomschlick on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @04:23PM (#6850303)
> You can even still use a cell phone, if you want - just buy a prepaid mobile with cash.

Actually this is exactly the kind of thing this data would sniff out. It would capture whichever cell towers you interact with (home, work, etc) and paired with data from your friends & their call logs could easily pinpoint who you are. Kind of amazing from an analytical standpoint but pretty scary for privacy.

Re:NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden docum... by TrainedMonkey on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @04:29PM (#6850354)
Also do not use any kind of phone.

Do not appear on any camera/picture.

Do not purchase anything with any kind of card.

Do not drive a car (License plate recognition systems are getting scary.)

Etc...

Re:NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden docum... by sneak on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @04:37PM (#6850419)
> You'll experience no material hardship.

You sound like a person who hasn't moved a long distance from their family.

Re:NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden docum... by sukuriant on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @04:27PM (#6850341)
Citation needed on the 20% of the population of the US that doesn't use the internet. Is there even 20% of the US population outside of 100 miles from the shore?

Also, you can't use a cellphone without them knowing who you are with high certainty. It only takes 3 points of location data to identify a person the vast majority of the time[1]. Using a cell phone that you paid for with cash is insufficient.

[1] http://www.livescience.com/28353-anonymous-phone-data-not-an...

Re:NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden docum... by sanskritabelt on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @05:28PM (#6850865)
Rough estimate from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territo... suggests that about 2/3 of americans live in a state bordering the ocean, so about 100 million americans further away from the shore.

What that has to do with anything, god only knows, unless you meant something like '100 miles away from the border', and even then I'm at a loss.

Go visit a flyover state sometime. Most of the country's very different than SV/the northeast corridor/other modern urbanized area, and I wouldn't live there if you paid me.

Re:NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden docum... by ahlatimer on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @05:47PM (#6851035)
GP is likely talking about the "Constitution Free Zone", or the area within 100 miles of a border [1].

[1]: https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights-constitution-free-zone...

Re:NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden docum... by sukuriant on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @06:27PM (#6851311)
I was going on the assumption that most people in population centers use or have used the internet; and that the number of people that were not in population centers was less than 20%; and I mental-gymnastics'd myself to thinking that those population centers tend to be on the shore, so I said it that way.

Not necessarily right, but that's how I go there.

Re:NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden docum... by sanskritabelt on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @09:42PM (#6852344)
"most people in population centers use or have used the internet" 80% is "most" by lots of definitions.
Re:NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden docum... by sukuriant on Thursday December 05, 2013 @01:20PM (#6856044)
You're right; but I figured 95-99% in population centers and much more than 50% everywhere else, which ends up being more like at least 86% of the people in the United States used the internet in the last year.
Re:NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden docum... by lukev on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @04:32PM (#6850377)
Re:NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden docum... by sukuriant on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @04:40PM (#6850451)
... wow. I sincerely didn't expect that number to be accurate at all. Okay then!
Re:NSA tracking cellphone locations worldwide, Snowden docum... by Zigurd on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @05:01PM (#6850631)
You had better keep the battery outside of that phone until you are away from your home and not traveling along your commonly traveled routes, or your possession of it will be inferred by location.