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Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by mullingitover on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:16PM (#6848862)
Another way of titling this would be, "How the internet is uniting humanity." Languages are tools for communication, and while it's sad from an anthropological/historical perspective to be losing languages, from a humanist perspective it's fantastic news. The more people can communicate without barriers, the better it makes the world for everyone.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by rmk2 on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @02:09PM (#6849293)
> Languages are tools for communication

Exactly, that's why different languages can spawn different communication. Certain things cannot be translated, whether they are idioms or grammatical constructions. It's not just "sad", it means a unifying and, in some case, simplification of thought. Now, with English becoming more dominant, I guess it depends on your background and ideas whether this reduction to "things that can be expressed in English" is a good thing or not. I pick English here, because it is the most obvious example given international trade, travel and the internet, though the same applies for various big, hegemonic languages in their surroundings, and the same happens with dialects even within a technically mono-lingual environment.

Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by jamoes on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @03:03PM (#6849728)
> Certain things cannot be translated, whether they are idioms or grammatical constructions.

The cool thing about languages though is that they evolve. English is a prime example of this: things that can't be translated just end up being imported and becoming new English words.

The end result is a more powerful language, where you can express the combination of certain ideas and concepts that simply couldn't be expressed in a single language before.

Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by PhasmaFelis on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:51PM (#6849152)
On the one hand, I'm very much inclined to agree with you.

On the other hand, I'm a monolingual English-speaker. I personally gain much and lose nothing in this scenario, I have no real conception of what it feels like for the hundreds of millions of people who do speak minority languages; so I'm not sure I'm qualified to judge.

Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by infruset on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @04:16PM (#6850252)
Thank you for this comment. It would be interesting to know, among all those embracing everyone speaking english, how many are native english speakers and how many are monolingual; that might put things in perspective. In other words, it's easy to claim that everyone doing things your way with no effort on your part is the right way to go.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by PhasmaFelis on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @04:35PM (#6850401)
There's an interesting point. It's taken for granted that the ruling language of the internet is and will be English; no surprise that native English-speakers approve. I wonder how many people in this thread would change their tune if the emerging lingua franca was Spanish or Mandarin.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by mullingitover on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @02:11PM (#6849304)
> I personally gain much and lose nothing in this scenario

You gain a great deal if you have the ability to communicate with millions (billions?) of people that you otherwise couldn't.

Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by PhasmaFelis on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @05:12PM (#6850715)
...Yes, that's what I said. I gain much and lose nothing, because other people are forced to conform to my standards. In the same scenario, someone who speaks only (say) Swahili gains nothing except another hurdle to access, and loses a potential shot at a local online community.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by gcp on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @02:24PM (#6849416)
>I have no real conception of what it feels like for the hundreds of millions of people who do speak minority languages

Being understood by most people (instead of almost none) is pretty handy.

Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by Nux on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:20PM (#6848900)
Can't upvote this enough. A united world needs to speak the same language. Down with the borders, of any kind.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by latj on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:28PM (#6848961)
First, I dont think lack of a language's presence online means that the language is dying. For example the world could be becoming more multilingual.

Second, the whole world doesnt need to speak the same language for cohesive unification. We just need star trek level translation which doesnt seem so far fetched these days.

Finally, everything comes and goes- the stars, the tide, human life, and language. Have you tried speaking to someone from east Baltimore lately? I havent either, but according to my source, The Wire, they speak a language that would probably be close to unintelligible between people from other parts of the English speaking world.

In other words, I'm not worried about language diversity- whenever humans find the need to express themselves in ways that doesnt fit in the current framework, they find a way.

Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by DanBC on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @02:26PM (#6849425)
I welcome your attempts to learn and speak Mandarin as that single global language.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by gazrogers on Thursday December 05, 2013 @06:57AM (#6853954)
I wish I could upvote this more than once. A lot of comments here are positive about the idea of a single global language when it's their language that wins out. I strongly suspect that if it were Mandarin, Arabic or Russian instead of English that was being suggested, their enthusiasm for the idea might be more muted.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by ronaldx on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @02:23PM (#6849402)
I understand the sentiment but I disagree.

I think language is a clear representation of culture - your first language directly informs how you see the world.

The world would be a lesser place if everybody grew up with the same linguistic experience.

Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by nly on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @02:25PM (#6849420)
There will always be regional dialects, accents, terminology, slang etc.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by pavel_lishin on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @02:04PM (#6849256)
Should we all use the same programming language as well?
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by DanAndersen on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @02:11PM (#6849306)
I think a more apt analogy wouldn't be the use of the same programming languages (which is more of a private action between the programmer and the computer), but more like using common protocols, APIs, and standards that allow interoperability.
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by efa on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:44PM (#6849094)
Yep! I saw the title and thought "this is a bad thing?".
Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by emilga on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @01:57PM (#6849207)
I agree. The authors of Genesis 11:1-9 even describe the world's languages as a _punishment_ by God(!):

"""5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower the people were building. 6 The Lord said, “If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. 7 Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other.”

8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city. 9 That is why it was called Babel[c]—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth."""

Re:How the Internet is Killing the World's Languages by mullingitover on Wednesday December 04, 2013 @02:03PM (#6849250)
Buckminster Fuller's Critical Path puts forward the notion that this is really an allegory for the adoption of the phonetic alphabet. Prior to this, all the different language speakers could communicate with a symbolic system of writing, but once the phonetic alphabet was adopted they were no longer able to communicate in writing without knowing the reader's language.