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Re:Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device... by berdario on Saturday November 30, 2013 @01:17PM (#6823934)
You have a different idea of "freedom" than we do

The problem is not bundling in closed-source applications... the problem is removing (and thus stopping development) of the previously-default open source applications

Are Nova, Apex and Smart OSS? I looked at their web pages, but I don't see any link to the sources

basically: you still have freedom 0 (and possibly freedom 2, if you're willing to go against the EULA)... but, concerning freedom 1 and freedom 3, Android (as in AOSP) is stuck to something like version "4.*"

Re:Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device... by eropple on Saturday November 30, 2013 @02:28PM (#6824234)
Yes, I do have a very different definition than you do, which is what makes your almost-begging-the-question rhetorical adoption of the implicit redefinition of freedom as Those Enumerated By Richard Stallman...well, kind of funny. On the other hand, I will enjoy my freedom to use software without concerns of ideological purity because I have alternatives if I don't like them.

Nothing stops you from writing your own to-your-specifications launcher or SMS client or email client atop the openly-licensed Android stack (and leverage having an actually useful, widely-supported phone). People might even use your GNU-gold-starred alternative if it's more than barely functional, though the track record of said gold-starred software with regards to UX doesn't fill me with optimism. But I do wish you luck.

Re:Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device... by berdario on Saturday November 30, 2013 @02:39PM (#6824292)
Actually, I'm nowhere "ideologically pure" as you think I am.

I'm still using my google-sanctioned stock android, and I routinely use some sort of closed source software...

My point was more like: I'm using google-android now, out of convenience, but I stopped strictly seeing Android releases[1] as improvements (and thus I _might_ refrain to use KitKat... if I'll move to a google-less cyanogenmod or to Ubuntu or Jolla I still don't know)

Also, My intention was not to be rhetoric: I just found Stallman definitions of freedom useful in this context to understand what some people are complaining about

[1] as in "Android used on Nexus", compared to AOSP

Re:Jolla CEO: You will soon be able turn your Android device... by wmf on Saturday November 30, 2013 @02:23PM (#6824215)
It sounds like you should move to CyanogenMod.