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Re:Why 23andMe Terrifies Health Insurance Companies by DanBC on Wednesday November 27, 2013 @05:23AM (#6807408)
> Here's a hypothetical. Say 23andMe's results indicate a 30-year-old client has the three most common BRCA1 and 2 gene mutations that 23andMe tests for, suggesting high risk for breast cancer. That person might book an appointment with a doctor, an appointment she might never had made without the DNA results. The physician might recommend a mammogram, a test a thirtysomething would not normally get. In more extreme cases, such as the much-talked about case involving actress Angelina Jolie, someone with particularly alarming results might decide to get a preventative mastectomy. Insurance companies are concerned that they'll end up paying for every step.

This seems reasonable. Someone does a genetic test, gets a result, and sees a proper doctor to discuss the results. If that person has a strong family history, and has the mutated genes, they might take preventative action which imght include surgery.

Insurance companies should be paying for that.

It's not like someone's got a whole body CT scan and is then getting unnecessary tests from the uncertain results of the scan.

> At the same time, health insurers can’t increase premiums for these potentially expensive customers because of the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act (GINA), a law that makes it illegal to do just that. The logic goes: People don’t get to pick their genes, so it’s unfair to penalize them for the unfortunate bad luck of having a predisposition to Alzheimer’s.

I expect to see a bunch of people who don't disclose their 23andMe results and who then have their insurance cancelled.

Insurance companies have departments dedicated to finding ways to avoid paying out. See, for example, the woman who was about to get treatment for breast cancer when her insurance company cancelled, stating her undeclared visit to a dermatologist for acne several years earlier. (http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/16/health.care.heari...)

Re:Why 23andMe Terrifies Health Insurance Companies by netcan on Wednesday November 27, 2013 @06:47AM (#6807582)
The article doesn't make it very clear, but I think there are two things going on.

One is that genetic testing possibly increases the overall cost of healthcare, by introducing new tests preventive treatments that people are advised to get. Before modern cancer treatments, many cancer patients were untreatable and they died. Now there are new and expensive treatments that are worthwhile, but they cost money. So, total amount spent on treating cancer goes up. Genetic tests & subsequent tests and testaments are a new cost, that will probably increase overall medical costs and insurers liabilities. Eventually, premiums will just go up to cover this. It's a long term problem.

The second thing for insurers to worry about is information asymmetry & adverse selection.* This is a more structural problem. The more predictable future costs are, the less suitable insurance is as a way of paying for things. If you have a 1% chance of huge medical bills in the next ten years, you can pay 1% of those potential bills as a premium and get pice of mind. If you have a 50% chance of those bills, you probably can't afford the 50% premiums.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_selection

Re:Why 23andMe Terrifies Health Insurance Companies by yummyfajitas on Wednesday November 27, 2013 @06:14AM (#6807517)
Insurance companies should be paying for that.

The danger to insurance companies is that people might do that before purchasing insurance and use the result to inform their purchase decision. The net result is adverse selection and fewer people purchasing insurance.

Explanation of the math here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6807426

Re:Why 23andMe Terrifies Health Insurance Companies by bayesianhorse on Wednesday November 27, 2013 @05:29AM (#6807422)
Preventative mastectomy in this specific case might actually save money. Breast cancer is not guaranteed, but the risk multiplied by the costs should work out profitably.

Also, in other countries than the U.S., insurers are supposed to maximise well being and life expectancy...

Re:Why 23andMe Terrifies Health Insurance Companies by kissickas on Wednesday November 27, 2013 @08:51AM (#6807990)
Exactly - I fail to understand how, if the person is already at a higher risk for breast cancer, how an earlier screening could increase costs.

Isn't a mastectomy for a 35-year-old cheaper than paying for years of chemotherapy for a fragile 80-year-old person whose cancer has already spread too far for surgery and needs to be hospitalized for months on end?

Re:Why 23andMe Terrifies Health Insurance Companies by twoodfin on Wednesday November 27, 2013 @08:54AM (#6808008)
I expect to see a bunch of people who don't disclose their 23andMe results and who then have their insurance cancelled.

In the post-ACA U.S. "rescission" like this is now illegal, short of actual fraud. And it would have been illegal prior to ACA in the case of genetic testing due to HIPPA and GINA. Not that rescission was ever nearly as common as reform proponents liked to suggest.[1]

[1] http://healthblog.ncpa.org/rescissions-much-ado-about-nothin...

Re:Why 23andMe Terrifies Health Insurance Companies by randyrand on Wednesday November 27, 2013 @08:15AM (#6807847)
I'm not sure you understand the concern. It's really quite simple, if a consumer knows they are going to have a lot of problems in the future, they buy better healthcare and via -versa. But the insurer can't do the same - asymmetry of information. Costs go up for the insurer due to self selection. Of course then insurance plan prices go up too or just diversify and people end up just paying for what they'll probably need. Kind of takes away the point of insurance if we get really really good at genetic based predictions.