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Re:I Am Not Satoshi by nullc on Tuesday November 26, 2013 @09:33PM (#6805885)
It was a simple white paper, offered up anonymously for only what it was. It made no claims which have been demonstrated to be false, which is more than you can say about the paper being discussed here.

The Bitcoin whitepaper does what it says on the tin, you're the one inventing criteria for it that it doesn't meet. The white paper is also remarkably readable, which is something you can't say for most academic works.

Re:I Am Not Satoshi by javert on Wednesday November 27, 2013 @01:04AM (#6806710)
Betterunix has been in this discussion many, many times.

I don't think there is any way to get him to stop saying that bitcoin isn't an achievement and that it is a priori invalid because it doens't have a "formal security model."

Re:I Am Not Satoshi by nullc on Wednesday November 27, 2013 @04:54AM (#6807330)
Well he stopped saying there was no formal security analysis once someone linked him to one, I think. :)
Re:I Am Not Satoshi by betterunix on Wednesday November 27, 2013 @11:38PM (#6813049)
I believe that I responded to that paper at least once. By my memory, the formalization of Bitcoin's security left room for a polynomial time attack on the system. That is a fine restatement of what we already know about Bitcoin, but:

1. It is irrelevant to this thread, because I was only talking about Satoshi's paper.

2. It is not the sort of security people demand out of other cryptosystems. There is a reason nobody uses this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkle%27s_Puzzles

Re:I Am Not Satoshi by javert on Thursday November 28, 2013 @01:25AM (#6813321)
If someone could link me to the paper in question, I would really appreciate it.
Re:I Am Not Satoshi by nullymcnull on Thursday November 28, 2013 @08:10PM (#6817370)
A little late, but I believe this is the paper mentioned: https://socrates1024.s3.amazonaws.com/consensus.pdf
Re:I Am Not Satoshi by betterunix on Tuesday November 26, 2013 @09:49PM (#6805970)
"It made no claims which have been demonstrated to be false"

That is because no falsifiable claims were made.

(Edit: Strictly speaking, this is not true. Falsifiable claims were made; this, for example:

An attacker can only try to change one of his own transactions to take back money he recently spent.

This claim has already been falsified: an attacker who can control the block chain can also selectively deny transaction verifications and prevent miners from receiving the mining reward.)

"you're the one inventing criteria for it that it doesn't meet"

No, I am just stating the criteria that determine how well-researched a paper is. If a paper does not cite the relevant previous work, it is poorly researched -- that is the standard that every other paper is held to. If a cryptography paper does not have a well-formed or clearly articulated security definition, it is poorly researched -- that is the standard other cryptography papers are held to. If a security paper breaks from widely accepted notions of security but never bothers to justify that, it is poorly researched. These are not unheard-of criteria, these are standard fare.

"The white paper is also remarkably readable"

What is your point? Readability is orthogonal to how well-researched a paper is.

Re:I Am Not Satoshi by nullc on Wednesday November 27, 2013 @12:17AM (#6806565)
> If a paper does not cite the relevant previous work,

This is elevating form above substance. Ron & Shamir's work has the proper form, the proper names, and yet the material it contains is rubbish. It cites "relevant previous work", so long as you think that none of the work in industry is relevant.

The gold standard should not be if a work follows a set of practices, advisable as they may be, it should be if a work advances the understanding of mankind. One of these papers did, the other does not.

Re:I Am Not Satoshi by jeremyjh on Wednesday November 27, 2013 @11:01AM (#6808795)
Reference to previous work is not some perfunctory requirement to satisfy for academic due process. It is critical for the advancement of knowledge. Also, its pretty much entirely the definition of "well-researched". Work that is done completely independent of the established base of knowledge in a field can be valuable but someone has to do the work of integrating it and contrasting it with what was already known or else how can you weed out the cranks without many people spending many hours working through their enormous stacks of drivel?

G. H. Hardy said that his most important contribution to the study of mathematics was the discovery of Ramanujan. One could easily make the mistake of thinking this contribution could have been easily replicated by someone else, but its entirely likely that never would have happened at all because Ramanujan was not aware of much of the contemporary work that he blitzed past.