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Re:What's Wrong With the Latest Beastie Boys Lawsuit by ams6110 on Monday November 25, 2013 @09:18PM (#6798657)
But for commercial purposes... I think that takes a lot of the argument away.
Re:What's Wrong With the Latest Beastie Boys Lawsuit by fatman on Monday November 25, 2013 @10:34PM (#6798949)
The counter-example that has stuck with me is the novel "The Wind Done Gone": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wind_Done_Gone. It's Gone with the Wind, re-imagined from a slave's point of view - and a direct criticism of the work, published for profit and without permission. The Second Circuit (probably the biggest copyright circuit, thanks to NYC) ruled that there was at least enough fair use there to overturn a preliminary injunction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suntrust_v._Houghton_Mifflin Then the case settled.
Re:What's Wrong With the Latest Beastie Boys Lawsuit by ISL on Monday November 25, 2013 @09:41PM (#6798750)
Satire and parody are practiced by the Onion for commercial gain. Should/does that alter the protections afforded to such transformative works?
Re:What's Wrong With the Latest Beastie Boys Lawsuit by ams6110 on Monday November 25, 2013 @09:53PM (#6798799)
The Onion is an editorial publication, in the business of parody and satire, clearly a different category of use than a toy company creating a advertisement.
Re:What's Wrong With the Latest Beastie Boys Lawsuit by fatman on Monday November 25, 2013 @10:24PM (#6798916)
My statement was an oversimplification, but you're right, Commercial purpose would weigh against a finding of fair use in a part of the 4 factor balancing test. Does that take "a lot" of the argument away or a little? Depends on what the judge had for breakfast that day, I guess. In my head, the direct criticism of the original work is a stronger factor, but that may be based off my own fuzzy memory of the cases and pro-fair use biases. I guess I feel that criticism should be protected as not only federal common law fair use, but even more strongly as First Amendment speech - if I remember correctly that is as of yet an unanswered question in the caselaw.
Re:What's Wrong With the Latest Beastie Boys Lawsuit by jasonlotito on Monday November 25, 2013 @09:47PM (#6798781)
ironchef makes a comment below (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6798749) that being commercial doesn't matter. Otherwise, every piece of fair use on YouTube could be taken down considering YouTube is a commercial site.