Re:Landmark Senate Vote Limits Filibusters
by the_watcher on Thursday November 21, 2013 @02:29PM
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I may be wrong, but I believe Senate rules are set by majority vote, and there is a mechanism available to the Majority leader to simply declare only 50 votes are needed to pass. The main reason it isn't used all the time is that the majority party generally worries about repercussions when they are a minority party.
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Re:Landmark Senate Vote Limits Filibusters
by cpleppert on Thursday November 21, 2013 @06:35PM
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Senate rules since the 1970s (when the filibuster was set at 60) require 66 votes of all senators to effect a rules change.
This utilizes the majorities ability in any parliamentary body to set the precedent or rule on a point of order. hence the 'nuclear' option.
Re:Landmark Senate Vote Limits Filibusters
by Nelkins on Thursday November 21, 2013 @02:33PM
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I assume that the ability of the Majority leader to declare that only 50 votes are required is limited to Senate rule changes?
Re:Landmark Senate Vote Limits Filibusters
by talmand on Thursday November 21, 2013 @02:43PM
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If it is limited to Senate rules changes then it's irrelevant. The Senate rules are, after all, the rules. For example:
Majority wishes to pass a bill that the minority doesn't agree with. Majority wants to change the rules on that vote to get it passed despite minority.
Minority says they can't because the Senate rules forbid it.
Majority changes rules from forbidding it to allowing it.
Granted, that's a simplistic way of looking at it. It would seem to me that rule changes should have higher requirements than simple majority because then the majority can change the rules whenever they wish.
Re:Landmark Senate Vote Limits Filibusters
by the_watcher on Thursday November 21, 2013 @03:16PM
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The power of precedent and fear of being in the minority is what generally fights against this. Rule changes that drastically favor the majority will hurt them when they end up in the minority.
Re:Landmark Senate Vote Limits Filibusters
by talmand on Thursday November 21, 2013 @03:24PM
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I totally agree.
Re:Landmark Senate Vote Limits Filibusters
by adestefan on Thursday November 21, 2013 @02:50PM
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One of the very few enumerated power in the Constitution is that the Senate and House get to make their rules however they see fit. What usually happens is that at the beginning of the new Congress the first order of business for each body is to set the current rules. Part of those rules are how to change the rules during the current.
It's common for these to be passed unanimously.