I'm really not sure what's supposed to be scary about that quote. It sounds like self-improvement to me.
20:55 <+tylerknowsthis> what are the advantages of a kindle or other similar devices as compared to an ipod touch or droid or something
20:56 <+tylerknowsthis> r0d3nt: I'm on top of that shit too... but i'm talkin actual books.... autobiographies, history books, technical guides, political ideology
20:56 <+tylerknowsthis> and of course the underground network of zines
20:56 <+tylerknowsthis> i'm reading "Courtroom 302: right now.... a history of cook county jail kinda academic tho
20:57 <+tylerknowsthis> r0d3nt now you just pullin shit out your ass
20:57 <+tylerknowsthis> I did a fuckload of reading in prison... 2-3 books a week
20:57 <+tylerknowsthis> a habit I didn't lose when I got out
20:58 <+tylerknowsthis> oh I wasn't doing nothing. I was training myself physically and mentally to be a more effective fighter
20:58 <+tylerknowsthis> for the service of the revolution. prison is a good organizing opportunity
21:00 <+tylerknowsthis> I also fine tuned my chess game.... picked up tricks from the killers
21:01 <+tylerknowsthis> wonder why people are so fascinated with prison rape
21:01 <+tylerknowsthis> it's true people get punked out all the time
21:02 <+tylerknowsthis> it's a sink or swim situation you can't let anyone get an inch
What trinkets?
In and out of prison and probation for years. Wow, that means nothing, especially when you consider what those were for.
I didn't talk to him "on a daily basis" and had many disagreements with him, at times coming to near physical confrontation. But you are a tool.
The Nazi restaurant incident is an interesting microcosm of the whole Hammond case.
In all seriousness, would you have a link to that story? Hadn't heard of that.
Another ironic dimension to the restaurant assault and its parallels to the whole Hammond case: the one guy that got injured in that incident was injured by a protester, and had nothing to do with the Nazis; he was just an innocent bystander.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/soc.culture.israel/q...
Really glad this was brought up because I just realized an old acquaintance of mine was also arrested at the same event along with Hammond O_O. Add that to the fact that my credit card was leaked as a part of the Stratfor hack, and the fact that I happened to live 2 blocks away from where Sabu did, and I have an unsettling number of weird connections to this case.
Many Nazi beliefs aren't strictly fascist, comparing with the Italian Fascist Party may provide some insight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Fascist_Party It's easy to conflate the two, and while fascism and Nazism are cleary undesirable they are not the same.
Nazi apologists may for example concentrate on Holocaust denial, while having little time for an authoritarian nationalised state.
The word Fascism may today primarily conjure images of Hitler and the Third Reich, but in the thirties it was strongly tied with Italy as well.
Anyway, I think the fine line of disagreement here is that I personally see "Nazi apologist" as someone who is an apologist for _all_ of National Socialism, not just certain policies. You may be correct that today, people could consider anyone who's denying the holocaust to be a "Nazi apologist."
Does that make sense?
Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism
Dr. Lawrence Britt studied the fascist regimes of Hitler’s Nazi Germany, Mussolini’s Fascist Italy, Franco’s Spain, Salazar’s Portugal, Papadopoulos’s Greece, Pinochet’s Chile, and Suharto’s Indonesia. He found fourteen defining characteristics common to each.
Powerful and Continuing Expressions of Nationalism — Fascism makes constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Military pride and unity are encouraged. Flags are everywhere, as are flag symbols in public displays, or pinned to clothing.
Disdain for Human Rights — These are viewed as a hinderance to achieving their goals. Through propaganda, the population is made to accept this abuse by marginalizing and demonizing those being targeted. Tactics include secrect, denial, and disinformation. The people ignore or approve of torture, assassination, incarceration without formal charges, etc.
Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause — The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic, sexual or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
Supremacy of the Military — Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of funding, while domestic needs are neglected. The military is glamorized, and used to assert national goals and intimidate other nations.
Rampant Sexism — The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion, and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
Controlled Mass Media — Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by subtler government regulation: the control of licensing and access to resources, economic pressure, appeals to patriotism, and implied threats. Censorship is very common.
Obsession with National Security — Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses, and questioning its activities is portrayed as unpatriotic or even treasonous.
Religion and Government are Intertwined — Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.
Corporate Power is Protected — The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are those who put the government leaders in power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite, especially in the repression of the poor.
Labor Power is Suppressed — Because the organizing power of labor is a threat to fascism, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed. The working poor form an underclass, and are viewed with suspicion or outright contempt. Under some regimes, being poor is considered a vice.
Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts — Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. Professors and other academics espousing unorthodox ideas are censored, harassed, or arrested. Free expression is the arts and letters is openly attacked. Art and literature serve the national interest, or they don’t exist.
Obsession with Crime and Punishment — Fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
Rampant Cronyism and Corruption — Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in facist regimes for national resources to be appropriated or even stolen by government leaders.
Fraudulent Elections — Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Others times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, disenfranchising oppositions voters, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascism uses the judiciary to manipulate or control elections.
Source: Adapted from Fascism Anyone? in Free Inquiry, Spring 2003
Address a couple of your points:
Fraudulent elections: not all forms of government are duly elected by a people, but there is generally some process of a decision making body coming together that can be called "elections". And this process is always ripe for manipulation. I think one could resonably point to the Reichstag Fire and its political fallout as suppressing the German Communist vote and was a form of fraudulent electioneering.
Labor power is suppressed: There is a well documented history of forced labor within Nazi Germany during WWII. It is one of the reasons the German War Machine held on as long as it did despite heavy allied bombing and sabotage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rule...
I think it is reasonable to say the individuals in these camps didn't have access to the benefits of free association and what in general terms a strong union and workers rights oriented economy would provide. If we can't call that a form of "suppressing labor power" then what would you suggest we use to describe the phenomenon?
But they also drove them out, someone happened to be hit by an object. You make it sound like they shit-kicked some old people. Which is bullshit.
Sorry, though, they all get rights.
Who has he threatened? Hadn't heard of that.
Most of his defenders never really knew him, or saw the shit that would fall out when somebody disagreed with him. Those of us who talked to him on a daily basis know he's a dangerous asshat.
edit: I can probably get the full logs for context if somebody really really wants them. This was a public channel, so probably a hundred people have these logs.
Yeah, stop the presses. If commenting online and especially on places like 4chan has taught me anything, it's that anonymity lets people vent their emotions in ways they never would face-to-face. I'm sure you can find a similar list of shit I've said online and acted like a psychotic asshole. I can probably compose part of that list right now off the top of my head. Sometimes you need to say the angry words and let people tell you you're wrong to learn things once your head cools down.
Hammond was dangerous because he would manipulate people into following his anarchist leanings toward more "direct action", as he liked to put it. He wasn't just some troll on IRC. He committed crimes, over and over, and incited others to do the same. The stratfor and other hacks were just his bravado getting away from him, and people are safer now that he's in jail.
The only thing that bothers me now is what kind of shit he's going to concoct to lash out at everyone and everything he hates once he's released.
This is interesting. Thank you for sharing. Still not sure I see your point (you will have to forgive me for not reading through this in it's entirety).
13:50 <+tylerknowsthis> it's cause they are rich nerds who can't dance and have terrible taste in music
Woooo, that is me! :)
Let me stop you right there. Hammond was not a productive member of society. He stole water and power and food, even though he could pay for it (his web design side-job paid for the trinkets he didn't deem capitalist waste). He attacked old people in restaurants. He tried to insight people in public settings to go out and vandalize and attack public infrastructure. He threatened many, many people with bodily harm. He's been in and out of prison and probation for years.
This fuck had it coming.
And let me quote the last part of the article:
Does this sound like a stable, productive member of society to you?