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Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by frandroid on Monday November 11, 2013 @11:03PM (#6715774)
So bitcoin has given us untraceable currency without the state, except that without traceability, you also have no accountability, no justice, no law. This libertarian nightmare will soon come crashing down.
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by Anderkent on Monday November 11, 2013 @11:11PM (#6715796)
Yeah, exactly. That's why no one uses cash anymore. Just think of it! If you give someone your cash, they might just disappear!

/s

Bitcoin won't die just because people that want to ride the bubble lose some of their investments. It'll slow down, of course, but storing wealth is not bitcoins selling point, and trusted central exchanges are not essential to the model.

Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by tedunangst on Monday November 11, 2013 @11:28PM (#6715845)
I've never had someone on another continent take cash out of my wallet.
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by MattyRad on Monday November 11, 2013 @11:51PM (#6715918)
Clearly, because you're smart enough not to give someone on another continent your wallet, as per the analogy.
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by tedunangst on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @01:20AM (#6716184)
I'd love to say it's because I'm smart, but inaccessible to bad actors on other continents is the default setting for my wallet. Hell, I'm not smart enough to even figure out how to change the setting. :)
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by mcherm on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @09:49AM (#6718103)
It's the default for Bitcoin wallets also, but some users choose to "change that setting".
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by davidbanham on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @12:18AM (#6716007)
I've never had a mugger pull a knife on me late at night to take my bitcoins.

I _have_ had someone on another continent charge things to my credit card.

Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by tedunangst on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @01:12AM (#6716158)
Did you have to pay for the charges to your credit card?
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by eru on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @01:32AM (#6716224)
On average, yes.
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by baddox on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @12:45AM (#6716091)
I've never had someone on another continent take Bitcoin out of my Bitcoin wallet, and it's incredibly trivial to ensure that it stays that way. What's your point?
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by tedunangst on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @01:15AM (#6716169)
Other people have apparently had less success employing incredibly trivial security to keep their bitcoins safe.
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by jafaku on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @07:15AM (#6717298)
Maybe because it's a new technology and we are just learning about it? Who told them to jump in anyway? Didn't they know hackers existed? I bet these are the same persons who leave their $3000 cameras or other gear unattended when they visit less lucky countries, and are surprised when they are stolen from them.
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by baddox on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @10:29AM (#6718311)
You mean that some people choose to not do the incredibly trivial things that are required to keep Bitcoins safe, right?
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by vacri on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @12:18AM (#6716006)
Perhaps we should meet in Istanbul with a cashed-up wallet and a very long pair of tongs?
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by dragontamer on Monday November 11, 2013 @11:23PM (#6715833)
How do you exactly expect to convert your current dollars into BTCs without an exchange?

Also, exchanges are natural monopolies. The more people that go to a particular exchange increases the network effect of an exchange. More people == faster trades, faster trades == more fair prices.

Exchanges will centralize because the economics and network effects of exchanges demand centralization.

Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by biafra on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @02:59AM (#6716415)
I bought my Bitcoins at the BXB (Bitcoin Exchange Berlin: http://www.bitcoin-exchange-berlin.com/p/was-ist-die-bxb.htm...) where I met the seller in person for a long enough time so he could not run with my money. You should organize a Bitcoin Exchange in your city.
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by dragontamer on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @12:43PM (#6719332)
I am well aware of local exchanges. But you know, there is this thing called "the internet", which ought to allow me to trade BTC with anyone in the world.

With a local exchange, you get the best price for BTC in your city. With an internet-exchange, you automatically get the best price for BTC in the world... INSTANTLY, without having to schedule a meetup.

The more BTC exchanges converge, the better things will be overall. Trades will execute faster, at a lower cost, with maximum convenience with maximum fairness. It is damn near impossible to settle on a price without an exchange.

Its simply a matter of which BTC exchange will be trustworthy enough to hold the title of "defacto exchange of the entire internet".

Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by waterlesscloud on Monday November 11, 2013 @11:40PM (#6715871)
The exchange market is currently in the process of decentralizing.

Counterintuitive, perhaps, but it's happening.

Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by dragontamer on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @12:28AM (#6716033)
It sure is, because Mt. Gox messed things up with their customers. Mt. Gox WAS the central exchange for some time, but they have squandered their position.

Anyway, the forces of physics can be resisted: A thrown ball goes against the flow of gravity, and even Airplanes and Birds can fly for extended periods of time. But in the long term... almost everything follows gravity in the long term.

Similarly, centralizing market forces (in particular: the formation of "natural monopolies") are a known and documented phenomenon. But in the long term, the BTC Market gains more benefits from centralizing... than decentralizing.

Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by Frozenlock on Monday November 11, 2013 @11:17PM (#6715814)
Yeah! That's exactly what happened with cash!

Civilization crumbled and humanity disappeared.

In fact you are just dreaming this life. Time to wake up!

<insert dramatic chipmunk music>

Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by jacques_chester on Monday November 11, 2013 @11:28PM (#6715847)
Cash certainly used to be stolen in this way (by the deposit-taker).

What changed is that it became less valuable per unit of volume and mass (due to inflation) and that it became more traceable (due to regulation).

In bitcoin's case, it's designed to be immune to both of these. The wild west is here to stay.

Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by biafra on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @03:02AM (#6716426)
Bitcoin is traceable.

I wonder how the Bitcoins mentioned in the article have vanished? Every body that put money in there should have close look at the Bitcoin block chain and find out where his Bitcoins went.

But as always these kind of articles lack useful details.

Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by jacques_chester on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @04:13AM (#6716662)
Looks like I was under a misapprehension. That leaves (1).
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by Houshalter on Monday November 11, 2013 @11:50PM (#6715917)
Credit card fraud is far far more common, and cash is also completely untraceable. Untraceable doesn't mean "no accountability or justice or law".
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by waterlesscloud on Monday November 11, 2013 @11:08PM (#6715786)
Why do you imagine there's no traceability?
Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by smtddr on Monday November 11, 2013 @11:49PM (#6715910)
>This libertarian nightmare will soon come crashing down.

That sentence tells me everything I need to know about your thought process.

Re:$4.1m goes missing as Chinese bitcoin trading platform GB... by frandroid on Tuesday November 12, 2013 @09:47AM (#6718094)
I didn't pretend to hide it... :)