Re:Hey developers, stop forcing me to login to unsubscribe
by frandroid on Saturday November 09, 2013 @11:08PM
(#6705144)
It's not because you have no regrets that it's ethical. Even if it's a company like LinkedIn that makes it hard to unsubscribe, your input pollutes the anti-spamming algorythms with semi-legit emails. There are clearly millions of people who are fine with getting LinkedIn messages, and you're just being an ass, like putting your half-eaten burger into the recycling bin because the garbage bin was further out. Someone on the other side of your transaction is going to be tasked with taking your now-rotten burger outside of the recycling.
Re:Hey developers, stop forcing me to login to unsubscribe
by btilly on Saturday November 09, 2013 @11:55PM
(#6705290)
That is a problem for the anti-spam algorithms that need to figure out who will consider what to be spam.
Spam is in the eye of the recipient. If you send me marketing emails that I do not want, it is spam. Even if someone else would want it.
If people didn't mark stuff as spam, then there would be absolutely no reason for marketing people not to send spam to everyone. Even if only one person in 10,000 wants to read it, why not? But the option of marking stuff as spam is a way of making my attention as not free for you.
Re:Hey developers, stop forcing me to login to unsubscribe
by mayneack on Sunday November 10, 2013 @12:01AM
(#6705309)
Seems to me that it's helping the anti-spam algorithms by marking spam as spam
Re:Hey developers, stop forcing me to login to unsubscribe
by btilly on Sunday November 10, 2013 @04:39PM
(#6708561)
The data helps solve the challenge. But the real challenge for the anti-spam algorithms is that what is considered spam is recipient-dependent.
Re:Hey developers, stop forcing me to login to unsubscribe
by chilldream on Sunday November 10, 2013 @10:12AM
(#6706632)
The nice thing about Bayesian algorithms is that they are probailistic. If only a couple people flag as spam, it will have little effect on everyone's filtering algorithms. If, on the other hand, enough people have trouble unsubscribing to make this a serious "problem" then the email is arguably spam.
Re:Hey developers, stop forcing me to login to unsubscribe
by shadyabhi on Sunday November 10, 2013 @12:14PM
(#6707342)
You should generally do Report Spam,at least I do that. If the email was sent from something you didn't actually subscribe, hitting unsubscribe tells the spammer that the email id is in fact genuine which will ultimately get you more spam.
Re:Hey developers, stop forcing me to login to unsubscribe
by tripzilch on Monday November 11, 2013 @04:03AM
(#6710676)
Got any recent evidence for this? Because I'm not sure if this is actually still the case.
I don't have the link anymore because this was already a couple of years ago, was someone taking this ages-old advice to the test. Clicking the "unsubscribe" link on all spam delivered to an old spam-infested email address, he found that it reduced the amount of spam received to that address by a significant amount.
If marking as spam or unsubscribing are approximately equal effort, I will unsubscribe; if unsubscribing is even slightly more difficult than marking as spam, I mark as spam with no regrets. Even if you don't force me to login but make me do some monkey trick like type "CANCEL" into a box => spam! One click is the only acceptable method, and don't hide the link in a bunch of small print legalese, because I'm not going to expend much effort looking for it while the nice, inviting "Mark as Spam" button is just sitting there waiting for me to click it.