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Re:Clojure from the Ground Up, Part 2: Basic Types by lectrick on Sunday October 27, 2013 @12:07PM (#6622346)
I have mixed feelings about the fact that right off the bat it sledgehammers home the fact that programming is for everyone and not just white anglo saxon males.
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Re:Clojure from the Ground Up, Part 2: Basic Types by aphyr on Sunday October 27, 2013 @12:38PM (#6622461)
Today I learned that I'm straight, Nancy Lynch is a man, and David Nolen is white.

Diverse engineers are all around us. They just go unnoticed--in part, because we interact with usernames and papers instead of face to face.

Re:Clojure from the Ground Up, Part 2: Basic Types by ivanpierre on Sunday October 27, 2013 @07:15PM (#6624109)
+1 :D
Re:Clojure from the Ground Up, Part 2: Basic Types by catwell on Sunday October 27, 2013 @12:35PM (#6622454)
This thread is so full of BS I shouldn't even bother commenting, but maybe you should just know that Kyle himself is openly gay...
Re:Clojure from the Ground Up, Part 2: Basic Types by lbarrow on Sunday October 27, 2013 @01:00PM (#6622520)
Good job assuming that anyone who writes an introduction to Clojure is a straight white dude. As it turns out, you're completely wrong.
Re:Clojure from the Ground Up, Part 2: Basic Types by theorique on Sunday October 27, 2013 @12:53PM (#6622496)
He's just signaling that he has the right beliefs about the right issues, and is therefore a modern righteous dude.

Perhaps we should create a compiler that works differently for men, women, members of visible minorities, gays/straights, transgendered folks and so forth. I'm sure this would be a great advance in computer science.

But, more seriously, this is actually one of the great things about exact sciences - they are objective and completely fair. A compiler or a mathematical proof or the laws of physics can't be racist or sexist.

Unfortunately, we can't say the same about the social systems surrounding these sciences - a university department or a corporation, or some of the individual members of these organizations, can, of course, have bias.

I don't know that the solution is injecting social justice content into technical discussions. It's probably fine to have a social track at a technical conference, where people know what they are getting into. But in the context of a technical lesson, it seems like derailing off topic.

Re:Clojure from the Ground Up, Part 2: Basic Types by logjam on Sunday October 27, 2013 @12:40PM (#6622467)
That's nice. And I have completely unmixed feelings from reading you and the other genius commenters here and in the other thread about how you are somehow threatened by his simple encouragement of underrepresented minorities in a technical field.

Unlike you I'll actually tell you what my feelings are about the entrenched misogyny, racism, and sexism tolerated by so many white anglo saxon males in the tech world: complete disgust and contempt.

Re:Clojure from the Ground Up, Part 2: Basic Types by bpwalker on Sunday October 27, 2013 @01:10PM (#6622558)
Unfortunately I don't have enough points to downvote this so I'll just have to speak up.

> entrenched misogyny, racism, and sexism tolerated by so many white anglo saxon.

During my 15 years, as a white anglo saxon male, working at 8 companies of various size across Canada I have never met a man who hates women. Over the last say 10 years I have always been the minority by race and have reported women 40% of the time.

It would be nice to have more women in IT (yes please!), but the crap you just spewed must not represent all of IT around the world.

I don't have an appreciation for the intro. I think it detracts from an otherwise great blog post. And I think it's ok for people to have mixed feelings about it too.

Re:Clojure from the Ground Up, Part 2: Basic Types by lectrick on Monday October 28, 2013 @11:26AM (#6627491)
You seem very (and rather irrationally) upset, so instead of responding I will just give you a (completely ulterior-motive-free) e-hug from an anglo saxon male who has so far been nearly universally told he is the "nicest guy ever" as well as the "best boyfriend ever". That said, I once got in trouble with a female superior for using the word "wench" in casual conversation. I think that's a bit extreme, but that's just me. Skins have various thicknesses when it comes to these things.

I didn't mean anything malicious by what I said. I just felt browbeaten, that is all.

Re:Clojure from the Ground Up, Part 2: Basic Types by lectrick on Monday November 04, 2013 @10:23AM (#6669011)
I randomly returned to this conversation and boy are there a lot of assholes here who commented after I left. I think I'm more on your side now. I like to think I'm a nice guy, but there's clearly a lot to learn... and to teach to other guys.
Re:Clojure from the Ground Up, Part 2: Basic Types by vezzy-fnord on Sunday October 27, 2013 @01:02PM (#6622529)
Putting a "simple encouragement" in a technical tutorial like that is at the very least a non sequitur and detracts from the reading experience.

That's not to say educational material should be dry and without humor, but this is simply pure agenda.

Re:Clojure from the Ground Up, Part 2: Basic Types by nosefrog on Sunday October 27, 2013 @01:08PM (#6622550)
And I fail to see anything out of order with the agenda, "encourage women to program".
Re:Clojure from the Ground Up, Part 2: Basic Types by vezzy-fnord on Sunday October 27, 2013 @01:26PM (#6622616)
There isn't. There's nothing wrong with the agenda of promoting healthy eating habits, either. However it's not a good idea to preface a technical article about food processing with it.