Re:Tesla Snags Apple VP Of Mac Hardware To Lead New Vehicle ...
by codex on Thursday October 24, 2013 @10:06PM
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What's remarkable to me is the arrogance of Kamen, when to almost everyone it was clear that the Segway was a solution in search of a problem, and would ultimately fail.
Re:Tesla Snags Apple VP Of Mac Hardware To Lead New Vehicle ...
by seanmcdirmid on Friday October 25, 2013 @01:16AM
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Sometimes you have to take a risk. The Segway could have panned out much more differently than it did, there was a chance that it could have succeeded big.
Re:Tesla Snags Apple VP Of Mac Hardware To Lead New Vehicle ...
by PanMan on Friday October 25, 2013 @02:51AM
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How could the Segway panned out differently? (Serious question). I was quite exited to see it at first, but realistically it doesn't have many advantages over a bicycle, and a lot of disadvantages (biggest one is price).
Re:Tesla Snags Apple VP Of Mac Hardware To Lead New Vehicle ...
by seanmcdirmid on Friday October 25, 2013 @04:00AM
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It would have depended on adoption and some open creative thinking. The product is very cool, I'm glad they took a risk on this and there will be a nice payoff for society of not them directly.
Has anyone seen the cheap Chinese segway that works strictly at the shoe level? They loon very cool, but I'm too afraid to try it. Haven't seen them in use outside of china yet. Imagine seeing someone standing on a roomba going really fast.
Re:Tesla Snags Apple VP Of Mac Hardware To Lead New Vehicle ...
by c2 on Thursday October 24, 2013 @05:43PM
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Interesting move. While I can see some overlap in experience leading large technical projects where industrial design and battery life are of paramount importance, I wonder how much of that experience will translate into actual car development.
From the outside looking in I'd rather fill that role with someone with car industry experience bringing actual cars to market, because battery life and industrial design are somewhat fungible, but if Tesla is late on bringing car models to market that has a serious effect on their timelines.
Re:Tesla Snags Apple VP Of Mac Hardware To Lead New Vehicle ...
by c2 on Thursday October 24, 2013 @06:55PM
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I missed it the first time through, although I'm not surprised as in the article his previous automobile engineering experience seems downplayed.
Equating his segway experience to all of transportation seems a stretch.
According to his linked in profile he was a development engineer at Ford for 6 years and hasn't worked in the car industry for 20 years. Certainly he does not seem to possess any executive experience in the car industry or related to car development.
As a TSLA investor, it makes more sense to me to have someone in that role who actually has experience getting cars to market (ie. someone like Bob Lutz).
Re:Tesla Snags Apple VP Of Mac Hardware To Lead New Vehicle ...
by c2 on Thursday October 24, 2013 @09:49PM
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I would say his industrial design experience at Segway (and Deka) was more relevant to Apple.
Let's not forget history here. Musk had a very hard time releasing the Roadster, and it was one of the most painfully delayed automotive launches in history. They were close to running out of money numerous times in the launch, and needed key loans and cash at key times (including a huge cash infusion from Musk himself) otherwise they would have failed. At least some of that based on the public information at the time can be attributed to Musk's inexperience in the car world.
They made it, but it wasn't without a lot of luck. I worry about decisions like this because if there's one thing Tesla really needs to execute on, it's getting new car models out the door in a very timely fashion.
Another example - Nardelli was also a brilliant leader at Home Depot, but he couldn't do enough to save Chrysler.
The car industry is a very different beast then building wheel chairs and segways. Personally I would prefer someone in the new car development driver's seat with a bit more experience. Putting someone without that experience is such a leadership role seems like a reckless move by Tesla.
This is all just my opinion. I'd be happy to discuss further and share opinions.
Re:Tesla Snags Apple VP Of Mac Hardware To Lead New Vehicle ...
by foobarqux on Friday October 25, 2013 @12:20PM
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No, saying he is a founder is misleading. He played a critical role in Tesla and it surely would have failed if he were not involved but his initial involvement was as an investor in an existing enterprise.
There was a settlement that allows Musk to call himself "founder" in exchange for, I presume, some compensation. There was no legal ruling on facts only a private agreement between parties.
Re:Tesla Snags Apple VP Of Mac Hardware To Lead New Vehicle ...
by foobarqux on Friday October 25, 2013 @12:24PM
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Yes, "that logic" being just plain old "logic". Jobs didn't start Pixar he invested in a spin-out of a division of an existing company.
From wikipedia
"the group, which numbered 40 individuals back then,[1] was spun out as a corporation in February 1986 with investment by Steve Jobs shortly after he left Apple Computer.[1]"
Re:Tesla Snags Apple VP Of Mac Hardware To Lead New Vehicle ...
by Zr40 on Thursday October 24, 2013 @06:39PM
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A self-contained fire, caused by hitting a large object, which only started spreading once emergency services broke through the battery casing. Exactly how is this a 'hardware mishap'?
Re:Tesla Snags Apple VP Of Mac Hardware To Lead New Vehicle ...
by loceng on Thursday October 24, 2013 @06:06PM
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I don't see how the timing would have better then vs. now. It's a strategic move to bring someone talented from an extremely valuable company who produces "great" consumer products over to Tesla.
Re:Tesla Snags Apple VP Of Mac Hardware To Lead New Vehicle ...
by toomuchtodo on Thursday October 24, 2013 @05:36PM
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Perhaps not to see how Tesla was going to do, but to see if Apple could continue its streak. After their latest announcement events, some may argue that streak has ended.
http://www.amazon.com/Code-Name-Ginger-Behind-Segway/dp/1578...
Also, most startups fail.
Has anyone seen the cheap Chinese segway that works strictly at the shoe level? They loon very cool, but I'm too afraid to try it. Haven't seen them in use outside of china yet. Imagine seeing someone standing on a roomba going really fast.
And they looked so incredibly dorky with their plump bodies and tucked in shirts.
From the outside looking in I'd rather fill that role with someone with car industry experience bringing actual cars to market, because battery life and industrial design are somewhat fungible, but if Tesla is late on bringing car models to market that has a serious effect on their timelines.
Equating his segway experience to all of transportation seems a stretch.
According to his linked in profile he was a development engineer at Ford for 6 years and hasn't worked in the car industry for 20 years. Certainly he does not seem to possess any executive experience in the car industry or related to car development.
As a TSLA investor, it makes more sense to me to have someone in that role who actually has experience getting cars to market (ie. someone like Bob Lutz).
Let's not forget history here. Musk had a very hard time releasing the Roadster, and it was one of the most painfully delayed automotive launches in history. They were close to running out of money numerous times in the launch, and needed key loans and cash at key times (including a huge cash infusion from Musk himself) otherwise they would have failed. At least some of that based on the public information at the time can be attributed to Musk's inexperience in the car world.
They made it, but it wasn't without a lot of luck. I worry about decisions like this because if there's one thing Tesla really needs to execute on, it's getting new car models out the door in a very timely fashion.
Another example - Nardelli was also a brilliant leader at Home Depot, but he couldn't do enough to save Chrysler.
The car industry is a very different beast then building wheel chairs and segways. Personally I would prefer someone in the new car development driver's seat with a bit more experience. Putting someone without that experience is such a leadership role seems like a reckless move by Tesla.
This is all just my opinion. I'd be happy to discuss further and share opinions.
Apple didn't need a range of iPhones. They needed one excellent one, produced at scale.
Others had crucial roles as well, but without Musk providing the funding and management, Tesla would have just been another dead electric car company.
There was a settlement that allows Musk to call himself "founder" in exchange for, I presume, some compensation. There was no legal ruling on facts only a private agreement between parties.
From wikipedia
"the group, which numbered 40 individuals back then,[1] was spun out as a corporation in February 1986 with investment by Steve Jobs shortly after he left Apple Computer.[1]"
https://www.google.com/finance/chart?q=NASDAQ:TSLA&tlf=12&ch...