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Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by donretag on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @11:11PM (#6596592)
Apple maintains many of the same positions, yet they are loved. Apple actually uses a lot of open source, yet rarely contribute back. Microsoft Research contributes a ton to computing research.

Note: writing this in Google Chrome on my Macbook

Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by mturmon on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @11:55PM (#6596748)
Embrace, extend, extinguish is a tactic more aggressive than using open source but not contributing much back. Maybe you've forgotten how strong the MS dominance became in the late 1990s. Governments (US and EU) were going after MS -- not just aspects of their privacy agreements (as with Google today), but threatening to divide MS into separate corporations. Friendships were broken when people changed sides.

This was before the current tumult caused by the internet and mobile computing. It kind of seemed, back then, that things were going to just continue as they had been, only more so, and everything would be built on top of Windows.

This reaction (over-reaction?) to MS, then, comes from historically-rooted fear. It's a powerful emotion, and sometimes it can be correct.

You know, maybe there's an argument that the Unix world has a persecution complex, because there have been license and freedom debates since the very beginning. Here's an illustrative fragment: http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/10/origins-of-geek...

Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by mindcrime on Wednesday October 23, 2013 @12:14AM (#6596824)
Apple maintains many of the same positions, yet they are loved.

There are more than a handful of us who despise Apple, and for mostly the same reasons we despise Microsoft. They pimp their closed-source, proprietary, locked-down bullshit, and it's "walled garden", closed-off ecosystem just like MS pimp theirs. I have no use for either of them.

Note: written using Chrome on Fedora Linux.

Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by PhasmaFelis on Wednesday October 23, 2013 @12:40AM (#6596927)
These days, Apple is probably more hated than Microsoft. Not as much as MS was back in the day, but more than modern, sheepish-looking Microsoft.

I gotta say it weirds me out when people assert that everyone loves Apple, because it happens a lot; almost as often as people go on vitriolic rants against everything Apple-related.

Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by epsylon on Wednesday October 23, 2013 @02:31AM (#6597246)
> These days, Apple is probably more hated than Microsoft.

Perhaps, but the HN sample population is still biased favorably towards Apple.

Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by JanezStupar on Wednesday October 23, 2013 @06:21AM (#6597884)
I deem myself biased towards Microsoft, i.e. I would prefer to work for Microsoft over Google, Apple, Facebook, et al. I use Microsoft products (alongside OSS, Apple, Google,...) and quite like what they are doing in the last years. I find .NET very good for what it is meant for, etc.

And I think that while there are some MS haters around here. There are not nearly as many as die hard MS fans would have us believe.

Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by mudge on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @11:40PM (#6596703)
I don't love Apple for some of the same reasons I don't love Microsoft.
Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by nemothekid on Wednesday October 23, 2013 @12:01AM (#6596768)
Define rarely? What about Webkit, LLVM, and CUPS?
Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by brass9 on Wednesday October 23, 2013 @02:33AM (#6597251)
> Define rarely? What about Webkit, LLVM, and CUPS? These were already established opensource technologies. Apple has improved these technologies. But LLVM, Webkit or CUPS would exist even if there was no Apple.
Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by parasubvert on Wednesday October 23, 2013 @09:17AM (#6598486)
Erhm, "established" yes, but with a very small base. LLVM was an academic project - Apple hired Lattner to form a team and fund the development of the project.

WebKit was not established, Apple forked it from KHTML and it would not be the dominant engine without Apple.

Let's also not forget that BSD would be a rare sight at this point if not for Apple.

Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by slaven on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @11:19PM (#6596620)
Well Google Chrome as of last year was based on Apple's open source Webkit so that's not quite true.
Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by curiousDog on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @11:34PM (#6596672)
Webkit isn't Apple's open source. It was already open source when KDE started it.
Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by scott_karana on Wednesday October 23, 2013 @01:17AM (#6597042)
KDE didn't start "WebKit" per se. Apple definitely deserves some credit for what they did, but you're right: Konqueror originated it all.
Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by mkonecny on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @11:32PM (#6596662)
Webkit comes from KDE's KHTML project which was GPL'ed. Apple was required to open-source it.
Re:Ask HN: Why the Microsoft hate? by general_failure on Wednesday October 23, 2013 @01:31AM (#6597080)
WebKit is not GPL. Its admixture of BSD and LGPL.