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Re:Google announces uProxy by anon1385 on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @07:05AM (#6590970)
Because non-Americans still have to worry about being abducted off the street and tortured by American agents: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_El-Masri
Re:Google announces uProxy by adventured on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @07:37AM (#6591102)
It's a valid issue, in that it's vile the way the US Government sometimes behaves, but that is not a realistic concern for 99.999999% of the world population.
Re:Google announces uProxy by aristidb on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @07:45AM (#6591138)
I think it's a valid concern for more than 70 people.
Re:Google announces uProxy by hackinthebochs on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @01:52PM (#6593614)
This is meaningless as you don't know whether you're one of those 70 people until you have a black bag over your head.

And sure, today's bogeyman is terrorism. What will tomorrow's bogeyman be? During any time of social upheaval you can expect those in power to attempt to maintain their power. We are fast approaching obsolescence of a vast majority of human labor. What social ideas will spring out of that and how will the powers that be respond to a threat to their power? We've sat watch as the ultimate system of control was created around us; it's only a matter of time before it is unleashed on us completely.

Re:Google announces uProxy by r0h1n on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @08:09AM (#6591228)
Shouldn't that be 7000 people?
Re:Google announces uProxy by mike-cardwell on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @08:22AM (#6591308)
No

EDIT: Apparently factually correct statements are worth downvotes.

Re:Google announces uProxy by r0h1n on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @09:38AM (#6591751)
Yes, you're right. I made the schoolboy mistake of confusing 0.000001 and 0.000001%
Re:Google announces uProxy by jamesaguilar on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @12:03PM (#6592812)
If you're worried about that, there's this much more dangerous thing called lightning that is going to freaking terrify you.
Re:Google announces uProxy by antocv on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @12:16PM (#6592910)
In the USSR and DDR there lived millions of people.

Not everyone was abducted, the numbers are in the thousands.

People fear lightening. We must not fear our government. Fear of the people who are supposed to represent you is not quite democracy.

That is the point of oppression. To instill fear, not bu actually abducting and torturing half the population, just many enough to get the message across.

Obey, citizen.

Re:Google announces uProxy by jamesaguilar on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @12:40PM (#6593086)
People should fear neither lightning (it's spelled without an e, by the way) nor the US government. At least if they are not involved nor plausibly confused for being involved with inciting terrorism. At least, if they want their fear to be a tool of survival rather than just an irrational impulse. They should fear car crashes and things like that.

The US does not abduct people to get a message across, as much as you may want to believe that there is some equivalence between what our government is doing and what the government of the USSR did. Now, I'm not claiming that these abductions were right, but it's laughable to try to equate them.

Re:Google announces uProxy by Nitramp on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @01:41PM (#6593514)
I don't understand what you're trying to say. Khalid al-Masri had better feared the US government, and probably now does. So should everyone who's a muslim or brown, apparently, as the CIA reserves the right to abduct and torture people.

Yes, being abducted and tortured by the CIA is relatively speaking rarer than a car accident, but it's something entirely out of your control, and something completely avoidable.

Re:Google announces uProxy by jamesaguilar on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @01:46PM (#6593554)
I'm saying exactly what you think I'm saying. Even if you're in the unfortunate minority that the US chooses to be biased against, you're thousands of times more likely to be hurt in a car accident than to be abducted. That doesn't excuse the CIA's behavior, but it does inform what a rational brown, Muslim person should spend his or her time fearing. (Hint: Other things being equal, not US surveillance of their innocuous internet traffic.)
Re:Google announces uProxy by antocv on Tuesday October 22, 2013 @05:11PM (#6595012)
I didnt equate them. See you in 10 years from now, then Ill equate them.

For now, I was just making the observation that you dont need to activley supress millions of people to have a dictatorship - it is the fear that is keeping the milllions down and in line.

Examples are made of a few, and that process has already started with the Manning and Snowden treatments.

Not to mention the many that are left in a black bag in a bathtub by the CIA/MI6.