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Re:Textbooks must die by credo on Sunday June 14, 2009 @02:29PM (#657386)
>>"A textbook author in Toronto made enough money from his calculus textbook to afford a $20 million house."

Let us see, many movie stars, many wall street bankers, many atheletes, many businessmen etc. make far bigger amounts of money.

...and Seth Godin has a problem with the author of one testbook making money

Re:Textbooks must die by sofal on Sunday June 14, 2009 @06:49PM (#657670)
I see this come up again and again on HN and this kind of logic keeps getting voted up:

"You're complaining about [lesser evil] when there is [bigger unrelated evil]. Therefore what you say is irrelevant."

Sometimes it takes on this flavor:

"You're worried about the well-being of [one person] when millions are starving every day. Therefore what you say is irrelevant."

Is there some sort of fallacy name for this? This kind of argument says nothing.

Re:Textbooks must die by petercooper on Sunday June 14, 2009 @08:33PM (#657744)
Red Herring: also called a "fallacy of relevance." This occurs when the speaker is trying to distract the audience by arguing some new topic, or just generally going off topic with an argument.
Re:Textbooks must die by martey on Sunday June 14, 2009 @02:56PM (#657421)
Except that it is difficult to take a class without buying the textbook, and they are expensive. When was the the last time your professor mandated that you see a certain sports team play, but base tickets cost $100?
Re:Textbooks must die by petercooper on Sunday June 14, 2009 @08:35PM (#657747)
It's difficult to take a programming class without owning a computer and they are expensive too.

High fixed costs relating to an academic activity do not provide indicators to the ethics of the people who produce the required items.

Re:Textbooks must die by nova on Monday June 15, 2009 @07:47AM (#658253)
Yes but the professor is not the only provider of the required computer.
Re:Textbooks must die by petercooper on Tuesday June 16, 2009 @01:18PM (#660530)
Serious question: Is it common for professors to require the purchase of their own titles for a class?
Re:Textbooks must die by nopassrecover on Sunday June 14, 2009 @03:58PM (#657486)
For a site promoting entreprenuers and innovation the attitude towards this textbook writer seems odd. At least he's contributing something to society to earn his wealth..
Re:Textbooks must die by azanar on Sunday June 14, 2009 @03:57PM (#657482)
The base tickets are far more than $100. You also need to factor in the cost of tuition, transportation to and from, and the opportunity cost of having classes take up your time.

Or, to put in another way, you are not mandated to attend a class where the professor will charge you to see a certain sports team play. Somewhere along the way, you made a choice that brought you to this mandate.

Re:Textbooks must die by credo on Sunday June 14, 2009 @05:36PM (#657575)
If my professor had mandated that I see a certain sports team play, I probably wouldn't have taken the class.

As a free-market type would say or as Stephen Covey would say, take responsibility for your decisions. If you don't like the mandates that come with a certain class, don't take that class.

Re:Textbooks must die by sofal on Sunday June 14, 2009 @06:41PM (#657661)
Imagine this purely hypothetical situation for a minute: some classes are actually required for your major, and even though you are having exorbitant textbook prices extorted from you, it's still not enough to warrant quitting the major entirely.

Just because people can technically choose to avoid the situation entirely by dropping out or altering their life's course by switching majors doesn't justify ripping students off, or any other such small evils.

Re:Textbooks must die by alex_c on Sunday June 14, 2009 @03:19PM (#657450)
Just because there are greater "evils" out there doesn't excuse lesser ones.

It's calculus, which, as invariably gets pointed out in discussions about overpriced textbooks, hasn't changed much in the last century. How much value does that textbook actually bring over other calculus textbooks? Enough to justify a $20 million house? Does it present new and exciting ways to look at calculus? Does it make it that much easier for students to absorb and understand the material? Or is it successful mainly because of political skill inside a cartel-like industry?

Re:Textbooks must die by Tichy on Sunday June 14, 2009 @06:23PM (#657642)
Lot's of shitty books of all kinds sell because of good marketing. It wouldn't be a phenomenon exclusive to textbooks.

That said, there are huge differences among calculus textbooks. I don't know the one mentioned here, but when I studied, there was a choice between a very concise and condensed one, and a very drawn out and long one. The latter would have bored me to death. It is not easy to present maths in a short and concise way.

Re:Textbooks must die by adi92 on Sunday June 14, 2009 @03:30PM (#657455)
this is the author in question - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Stewart_(mathematician) .. his book was actually pretty good and I could use it for about 3 classes in my calc sequence.. pretty good value for money
Re:Textbooks must die by erik on Sunday June 14, 2009 @04:01PM (#657492)
I remember Stewart's Calculus as a reasonably good textbook. Though they seemed to publish a new edition every two years. Chapter and problem set numbers would get shuffled around, and so you needed the newest edition in order to do assigned homework.

How much has undergraduate level calculus really changed in the last 200 years? The constant updates disrupted the used textbook market and drove sales of new books.

Re:Textbooks must die by jerf on Sunday June 14, 2009 @05:50PM (#657596)
Well, I can't give you 200 years with 10 seconds on Google, but how does 102 years sound?

http://www.archive.org/details/differentialinte00osborich

You'd have to come to your own conclusions on the differences though, analyzing math books can take a while. :) The form is quite different.

(I searched "project gutenberg calculus" with no quotes and that was hit #1. The second result appears to come from 1865, so maybe I should have spent just a bit longer with that page.)

Re:Textbooks must die by ori_b on Sunday June 14, 2009 @09:33PM (#657798)
Hm, my profs used that textbook, but they were fairly careful not to use questions from it for graded homework. This let you use old versions for studying, without an impact on your grades.
Re:Textbooks must die by pradocchia on Sunday June 14, 2009 @07:28PM (#657702)
Slideshow of the house here:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123872378357585295.html#arti...

Quite nice, I think. And tasteful.

Re:Textbooks must die by JimmyL on Sunday June 14, 2009 @08:32PM (#657742)
If it's gonna be someone, he's not a bad candidate for it - his Calculus books are high-quality textbook that age nicely.
Re:Textbooks must die by lionheart on Sunday June 14, 2009 @03:52PM (#657478)
Yes, but nobody forces you to watch a sport or go to a certain business.

Textbooks are required for college classes.

Re:Textbooks must die by credo on Sunday June 14, 2009 @05:39PM (#657580)
and nobody forces you to attend any particular class either. You're always free to drop out.