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Re:Barbarians at the Gateways: High-frequency Trading and Ex... by blumkvist on Thursday October 17, 2013 @11:01AM (#6565778)
I hope "amazed" is just poor wording.
Re:Barbarians at the Gateways: High-frequency Trading and Ex... by chollida1 on Thursday October 17, 2013 @11:11AM (#6565845)
I think I'm being trolled but I'll bite.

What's wrong with the word amazed?

If I said I worked at Google and I continue to be amazed at the tech behind how they served up ads would I still get the same remark from you?

Maybe I could be doing more with my skill? I don't know but I really love the learning curve I'm on working with cutting edge technology and pushing the performance envelope.

Re:Barbarians at the Gateways: High-frequency Trading and Ex... by diydsp on Thursday October 17, 2013 @12:14PM (#6566313)
>What's wrong with the word amazed?

Amazement (dopamine rushes) confuses us.

Biologically, we respond to amazement as part of the learning process. But all too often, we receive these dopamine rushes simply as a consequence of the amount of resources and effort someone (or a group) puts into something.

e.g. You can go to Las Vegas, see thousands of people running around topless in gorgeous outfits and be amazed, yet what's the actual value to you?

I see this ALL too often in art. People get "amazed" by things that require a great deal of effort/resources (look how many transistors in this CPU!), but this temporary narcosis blinds us to evaluating /whether it's a good idea/. So many art projects are simply the result of an ordinary person commanding extraordinary resources from a corporate entity to construct a large number of instances of a single, mundane object or a single, large-scale version of the object. In these cases, the art is not in the sculpture, but in the conning to get the resources. I see budding artists respond to this amazement and trying to get huge funding.

Internet bloggers (Cory Doctorow comes to mind) abuse the word "amaze" all the time. I just checked boingboing.net right now and saw amazing used to describe wallpaper (no dude, this is /natural history/ wallpaper).

Re:Barbarians at the Gateways: High-frequency Trading and Ex... by blumkvist on Thursday October 17, 2013 @11:30AM (#6566002)
I realized that there's a frequent uproar against HFT, so I assume people here are pretty tired of it and are not willing to discuss it/have their minds made up about it already. That's why I won't go rhetoric.

edit: I guess, I did though.

I can't help to reply to the adwords question - although you can argue that advertising/marketing is soulless, at least it creates real world value. Someone makes a product, someone else buys it. Exchange of goods happens.

Derivatives are uncontrallable in the my humble opinion. Especially if regulated by uber greedy people. And it makes me sad sad when I see the highest skilled people go and put their talent in something that is pretty much useless, apart from making a few, selected people even richer than they are. But I guess, whatever pays the bills.

But that's not why I made my comment. I made my comment, because what I find even more sad, is people going numb to injustice and admiring this situation and the people who are making it possible.

Re:Barbarians at the Gateways: High-frequency Trading and Ex... by jbooth on Thursday October 17, 2013 @12:18PM (#6566335)
He wasn't admiring the economic situation, he was admiring some truly amazing high-end computer networking.

If HFT produces nothing else (and I generally agree with your economic view of it), at least it'll have financed the next generation of low-latency networking gear.

Re:Barbarians at the Gateways: High-frequency Trading and Ex... by fractalsea on Thursday October 17, 2013 @06:31PM (#6568611)
So no one would buy anything if there was no advertising?

Or maybe you are worried they would buy less? In that case, would the world really be a worse place? People only buying what they need...

Re:Barbarians at the Gateways: High-frequency Trading and Ex... by mmodahl on Thursday October 17, 2013 @12:14PM (#6566312)
Car insurance is a derivative.
Re:Barbarians at the Gateways: High-frequency Trading and Ex... by xradionut on Thursday October 17, 2013 @11:12AM (#6565858)
I think much of the effort is wasted. When you hire embedded designers to program FPGAs and ASICs just to be a few nanoseconds faster in your rent-seeking, it's a bloody shame.
Re:Barbarians at the Gateways: High-frequency Trading and Ex... by kasey_junk on Thursday October 17, 2013 @11:17AM (#6565896)
Technology is making the existing system much more efficient, lowering the total amount of "rent-seeking" in the system.

If this was any other industry it would be lauded. I don't understand the moralizing about this industry while we applaud start ups for building ever more complex twitter aggregators.

Re:Barbarians at the Gateways: High-frequency Trading and Ex... by xradionut on Thursday October 17, 2013 @11:52AM (#6566164)
Last time I checked, twitter programmers don't have a record of destroying economies nor deep capturing regulators.
Re:Barbarians at the Gateways: High-frequency Trading and Ex... by kasey_junk on Thursday October 17, 2013 @12:00PM (#6566217)
What economy did low latency trading destroy? Also, is there any more deep capturing of regulators in the finance space post low latency trading than there was pre?
Re:Barbarians at the Gateways: High-frequency Trading and Ex... by auntienomen on Friday October 18, 2013 @10:51AM (#6571666)
This is an ignorant statement. The cause of the economic crash in 2008 was leveraged bets on lots of bad debt. These bets were made by fratboys in suits, shaking hands and making phone calls and sending emails. The financial instruments they used to do this were bespoke one-off deals, not securities traded on public exchanges.

High frequency trading had nothing to do with any of this. HFT deals in fungible instruments traded in public markets.

Re:Barbarians at the Gateways: High-frequency Trading and Ex... by tedunangst on Thursday October 17, 2013 @02:15PM (#6567145)
But if you do it to mine bitcoins, you're a visionary.