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Re:Google Fiber now allows servers for non-commercial use by doctorohhnoes on Monday October 14, 2013 @05:43PM (#6549832)
I'm surprised to hear that. I've never had a problem with an ISP blocking SMTP.
Re:Google Fiber now allows servers for non-commercial use by kodablah on Monday October 14, 2013 @05:46PM (#6549846)
Inbound on port 25? I know my ISP does
Re:Google Fiber now allows servers for non-commercial use by __david__ on Monday October 14, 2013 @07:21PM (#6550321)
Mine doesn't (Roadrunner). I run my own SMTP server off my cable modem. I have no problems getting incoming mail. Outgoing, however, was a pain because so many SMTP servers block mail coming from dynamic IPs. It annoys me to no end. I understand the reasons for doing it, but it annoys me to no end. I had to set up a small satellite server on a static IP that I route all my outgoing mail through.
Re:Google Fiber now allows servers for non-commercial use by jdhendrickson on Monday October 14, 2013 @10:54PM (#6551211)
This leads me to wonder why you run any portion of your mail server from your home if you have access to a small satellite server?
Re:Google Fiber now allows servers for non-commercial use by teddyh on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @02:14AM (#6551767)
To search your home, a warrant is needed. To search a remote site, less is needed, and you might never know it’s been searched, back-doored and compromised.
Re:Google Fiber now allows servers for non-commercial use by __david__ on Tuesday October 15, 2013 @01:01PM (#6554568)
Mostly because the small satellite server requires very little storage, cpu, or memory. I have about 100G of mail on my IMAP server (not all in one account: I run email for everyone in my family), and that kind of space isn't cheap in the server rental business (despite the fact that a 2TB drive is $90).

Plus I just like having my data here, and not somewhere where I have no physical access.

Re:Google Fiber now allows servers for non-commercial use by doctorohhnoes on Monday October 14, 2013 @05:55PM (#6549889)
Come to think of it, I've never looked at inbound stuff. You'd think outbound would be where all the spam problems come from, though.
Re:Google Fiber now allows servers for non-commercial use by pyre on Monday October 14, 2013 @06:18PM (#6550005)
> You'd think outbound would be where all the spam problems come from, though.

They block port 25 to prevent open relays on their network (i.e. someone sends a forged email, the SMTP server does no authentication, and just forwards it on to the destination).

Re:Google Fiber now allows servers for non-commercial use by sliverstorm on Monday October 14, 2013 @06:01PM (#6549913)
If you block 25 outbound, people's mail clients (Outlook, Thunderbird, etc) could not deliver mail to servers that don't run SSL or TLS (465, 587)
Re:Google Fiber now allows servers for non-commercial use by werid on Monday October 14, 2013 @06:03PM (#6549927)
Lots of ISPs does this. They require you to relay via their SMTP-server.
Re:Google Fiber now allows servers for non-commercial use by ckuehl on Monday October 14, 2013 @06:46PM (#6550122)
Ideally you would use port 587, which is the designated port for mail submission. See RFC 2476 [1].

This requires that your mail provider supports that port, of course, which is unfortunately not always the case.

[1] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2476.txt

Re:Google Fiber now allows servers for non-commercial use by daigoba66 on Monday October 14, 2013 @06:34PM (#6550080)
Used to have Bellsouth DSL, and they did this. SMTP/TLS on a different port worked though. But obviously you couldn't run your own e-mail server.