At 14, is PHP Finally Growing Up?

Re:At 14, is PHP Finally Growing Up? by jrockway on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @06:57AM (#648866)

Some arbitrary "best practices" don't make up for the language's general inadequacies (nor do any existing libraries). You might be able to write slightly less bad code, but you still aren't writing expressive code.

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Re:At 14, is PHP Finally Growing Up? by abyssknight on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @09:10AM (#648993)

I would like to argue the C language argument here. If I want to shoot myself in the foot, the language should let me. If I want to paint the Mona Lisa, the language should let me.

PHP does that.

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Re:At 14, is PHP Finally Growing Up? by mahmud on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @09:20AM (#649015)

PHP will let you paint the Mona Lisa at favicon resolution.

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Re:At 14, is PHP Finally Growing Up? by abyssknight on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @08:57PM (#650328)

Fine. I call you on this.

Full size: http://williamriggins.com/mona.php?x=400&y=571

Favicon Size: http://williamriggins.com/mona.php?x=10&y=10

Code (minus base64'd image constant): http://pastie.org/506643

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Re:At 14, is PHP Finally Growing Up? by jrockway on Wednesday June 10, 2009 @12:00AM (#650546)

I think you missed the metaphor.

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Re:At 14, is PHP Finally Growing Up? by mixmax on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @12:02PM (#649292)

and any other resolution you might choose.

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Re:At 14, is PHP Finally Growing Up? by jrockway on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @04:52PM (#649969)

Features that PHP is missing and would be very difficult to implement in use code include continuations, lexical closures, macros, a sane type system, multimethods, a metaobject protocol, and many others. Why confine yourself to the tools of a 1950s-era programmer when it's 2009?

(PHP isn't even very good at "web stuff", although the frameworks try to improve this situation.)

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Re:At 14, is PHP Finally Growing Up? by BerislavLopac on Wednesday June 10, 2009 @04:28AM (#650735)

I'm not sure what you mean by Web stuff, but here's a couple things I like about PHP:

1. When I want to do a quick Web page with no effort to last -- just to test something or prov a concept or something -- all I have to do is put together one or two PHP files and it's up. Even then I follow all the good programming practices: separation of business and presentation code, proper classes etc, and PHP let's me do that just fine.

2. If I properly organize my code (which I usually do) all I need to move a site from one location to another is simply copy a single directory. This even includes smaller SQL based sites since PHP5 has built-in support for SQLite. And it works on virtually any hosting available today.

Granted, these features are not really a compensation for all PHP's failures (don't ge me started), but there are times when those particular advantages outweigh anything else.

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Re:At 14, is PHP Finally Growing Up? by rbanffy on Tuesday June 09, 2009 @04:54PM (#649975)

If you want to paint using crayons, that would be correct.

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