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Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by greenyoda on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @12:50AM (#6480686)
There's a difference: filtering spam and prioritizing mail is something that's done for the benefit of the user. However, scanning e-mails to maximize ad revenue (they can charge the advertisers more for "relevant" ads) is Google using the contents of your e-mail for their own benefit.
Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by Flenser on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @01:05AM (#6480730)
Revenue which pays for the FREE service. If the choice was gmail with ads or no gmail I know which I'd choose.
Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by dingaling on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @02:52AM (#6481070)
> Revenue which pays for the FREE service

Google also scans e-mails in paid Google Apps accounts.

Edit: correction to myself. Whilst paid Google Apps accounts still show ads and Web Clips, Google now have this statement:

If you are using Google Apps (free edition), email is scanned so we can display contextually relevant advertising in some circumstances.

http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=60762

the implication being that the paid accounts are scanned only for virus, spam and Priority Inbox processing.

Sorry, I was wrong.

Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by natrius on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @01:04AM (#6480728)
My hunch is that there's no law that makes such a distinction.
Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by gibwell on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @01:21AM (#6480792)
Then you didn't read the judge's opinion. The wiretapping statue apparently does make such a distinction.
Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by Oletros on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @05:14AM (#6481435)
Judge Koh actually didn't made the distinction, user profiles are also used for spam filtering and she talked about scanning for making user profiles OR targeting ads
Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by georganos on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @01:13AM (#6480757)
Would making money to pay for the services the users use count as being towards the benefit of the user?
Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by gibwell on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @01:23AM (#6480799)
According to the judge, quite possibly not because it's not instrumental in providing the service.

And also because such an interpretation would allow any business model based on exploiting the contents of the users email for profit, which is clearly not the intent of the wiretapping statute.

Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by MAGZine on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @01:41AM (#6480859)
Could Google not argue that if GMail wasn't making money (through scanning email and serving ads), then they wouldn't have a business case for gmail, and it wouldn't exist? In this sense, ads are absolutely instrumental in providing service. spam filtering and prioritzation, on the other hand, are not.
Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by cynwoody on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @03:00AM (#6481092)
That's true.

However, spam filtering (for sure) and prioritization (maybe) improve the user experience, thus drawing in more clients and retaining the existing base.

Spam filtering, etc., make the service more attractive, boosting the user base, which makes it possible to charge more for the opportunity to show ads to the customer base, which, of course, is how Google gets paid.

Spam filtering, etc., are no different than improving the Search Engine. Both attract more eyeballs and, thus, more ad revenue!

Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by cynwoody on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @02:48AM (#6481058)
Well, there is FastMail† (which was recently spun back off of Opera). You can get a good web mail service without ads in return for a modest subscription fee.

So, as a Gmail user, you have a choice. Free, but you get to see dumpster ads because the email was about dumping some stuff off a database. Or on your credit card, because you don't want silicon being any more aware of your email bits than absolutely necessary to show them to you.

It should be up to you, the user, not Judge Koh!

†https://www.fastmail.fm/signup/personal.html

I'm sticking with Gmail.

Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by bsullivan01 on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @07:26AM (#6481792)
>. It should be up to you, the user, not Judge Koh!

I'm sticking with Gmail.

whatever happens with the case appeal after appeal time will tell, but a group of users sued Google for the things mentioned in the lawsuit. So the judge didn't wake up one day and pick on Gmail for no reason, there was a lawsuit by users--not all Gmail users share your opinions--and the judge had to decide on a few things.

My guess is that most users don't know what happens to their email (scan and advertising profiles based on the content of emails) because Google isn't exactly publicizing this for obvious reasons. So that will play a role and they are way of testing this via scientific surveys and polls. As long as people know and consent to this, Google will have no problem. For example, you can record a conversation as long as the other person consent to it. Who and how they consented if the did, is the $64k question.

Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by gibwell on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @11:53AM (#6483174)
That's fine for you, because you understand the trade offs.

The allegation is that many users have been duped.

Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by cynwoody on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @02:40AM (#6481036)
Google and the Gmail user both benefit. This why there are so many Gmail users!

The Gmail user gets a free email account with a large storage allowance, an effective search engine, and a dynamite spam filter. Google gets to collect revenue in excess of cost (Google is very good at server farms) for the opportunity to show said user relevant ads.

Thus, Google's access to the content of the user's email benefits both Google and the user!

Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by gibwell on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @11:51AM (#6483164)
Illegal activity doesn't magically become legal just because the proceeds are used to give something away for free.
Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by res0nat0r on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @02:10AM (#6480947)
It is greatly beneficial to me. It keeps gmail free.
Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by gibwell on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @11:56AM (#6483192)
No it doesn't. Free email existed long before Google started reading people's email.

The email scanning just makes extra profits for google and their advertisers at the expense of people's privacy.

Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by res0nat0r on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @02:38PM (#6484344)
15GB of free email service to 400+ million people costs a little bit of money to keep running. I'm going to go with the premise that advertising helps fund the cost of keeping this service up and running.
Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by gibwell on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @05:34PM (#6485551)
That isn't in dispute. The problem isn't advertising. It is reading people's email.
Re:Google Accused of Wiretapping in Gmail Scans by res0nat0r on Wednesday October 02, 2013 @06:15PM (#6485785)
Honestly I don't see much merit in this suit and suspect nothing will come of it. No human is "reading" your email in so much as an SMTP server "reads" it to know where to route your email next.

Automated scanning is inherent in allowing gmail to be free. You submit to this when singing up for the service. 3rd party users emailing a plaintext email across the internet also have no expectation of privacy, just like mailing a postcard to someone across the world.