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Re:RyuJIT: The next-generation JIT compiler for .NET by alberth on Monday September 30, 2013 @09:08PM (#6473411)
With all due respect, given that you work at Microsoft ... But this article specifically talks about web applications being a primary use case for the new JIT (RyujiT)

>>Quote: "But “server code” today includes web apps that have to start fast. The 64-bit JIT currently in .NET isn’t always fast to compile your code, meaning you have to rely on other technologies such as NGen or background JIT to achieve fast program startup.

Re:RyuJIT: The next-generation JIT compiler for .NET by apardoe on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @12:38AM (#6474073)
Don't read too much into the specific example of "web apps". The point here is that the classic server app of 10 years ago was often a long-running service that processed large batches of work.

Think, for example, about gene sequencing: JIT compile the app once, chew on data for hours. No one cares too much about the startup time because the app will be running far long enough to amortize the cost of a thoroughly optimizing compilation.

The classic server app of today is often a web app that doesn't do a ton of work relative to its startup time. Web apps often start up, do a bit of work, then shut down. Waiting a long time for the JIT compiler degrades each launch significantly.

As others point out, there are solutions to making web apps faster. But rest assured: RyuJIT helps all kinds of apps: server, client, web, computational.

--Andrew Pardoe [MSFT]

Re:RyuJIT: The next-generation JIT compiler for .NET by guiomie on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @08:34AM (#6475659)
Isn't there an option in IIS to have your web apps pre-compiled ?
Re:RyuJIT: The next-generation JIT compiler for .NET by bunderbunder on Monday September 30, 2013 @11:02PM (#6473780)
I'm sure it will help with web apps for which JIT time is a significant performance drag. But even then, my knee-jerk response was to think that faster JIT compile times shouldn't really impact the life of anyone who knows about ngen.exe.

Reading the article, it sounded to me like Microsoft's primary motivation was cutting back on their development costs by shrinking the codebase. Faster compilation was just a nice side effect that also happened to make for a sexier selling point.

Re:RyuJIT: The next-generation JIT compiler for .NET by freikev on Monday September 30, 2013 @11:22PM (#6473849)
NGen doesn't help too many folks with asp.net, since it just doesn't work. And for a class of x64 applications, NGen is a terrible solution because it takes so long to precompile the entire application. I'm going to put together a more detailed article for the Codegen blog regarding motivation, history, all that fun stuff...
Re:RyuJIT: The next-generation JIT compiler for .NET by pjmlp on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @01:04AM (#6474178)
Quite true. I was involved into a project (ASP.NET/64bits) where the JIT compile times on startup seemed like I was compiling C++ code instead. :(
Re:RyuJIT: The next-generation JIT compiler for .NET by bhauer on Monday September 30, 2013 @09:17PM (#6473453)
I am all for fast web applications.

But I think there is confusion—or at least I am confused—about what precisely RyuJIT provides. I know it provides quicker compilation times, which would affect the start-up time for web-apps. But does it also provider quicker-executing code? That is, does it do a better job with its optimization of web-apps' code once compiled?

Yes, a quick-starting web-app is awesome for when you need to add or replace nodes to your cluster. But I can usually suffer some warm-up time, even in that scenario.

My opinion is that web-apps are disturbingly often CPU bound and what I want most of all is faster web applications. Not in start-up time (that's icing on the cake, really) but in bottom-line request-processing throughput and latency.

Re:RyuJIT: The next-generation JIT compiler for .NET by twotwotwo on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @03:36PM (#6478561)
The post's author commented: "Currently, we generate code comparable to JIT64. Sometimes we're a little better, sometimes we're a little worse. (I'll post some samples on the codegen blog as I get time) But we're just getting started, honestly. I expect that we'll be generating better quality code in almost every situation before we release a full, supported JIT (and I don't think we're that far away today)." (That said, CPU perf of the JITted code isn't everything.)
Re:RyuJIT: The next-generation JIT compiler for .NET by Locke1689 on Tuesday October 01, 2013 @02:56AM (#6474593)
Interesting -- I had no idea ASP was that dependent on fast startup time that wasn't NGen compatible. My mistake!