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Re:World’s Largest Solar Thermal Power Plant Delivers Power ... by raverbashing on Wednesday September 25, 2013 @08:17AM (#6444031)
The article reads biased, exactly because of the points mentioned

What else uses steam turbines? Coal plants!

My bet is that the high cost is in the primary(?) heat circuit, the one that runs on molten salt

Also, it looks like it's still one of the first designs, so it's bound to cost more.

Re:World’s Largest Solar Thermal Power Plant Delivers Power ... by ndonnellan on Wednesday September 25, 2013 @08:38AM (#6444142)
Ivanpah is steam, not salt (in salt plants, the storage system is a large component of the cost).

It's not quite as simple as which area is the biggest cost component; in my experience everything adds up. You see that giant structure next to the tower? That's an air-cooled condenser, much more expensive than a wet-cooling tower, but doesn't use any water. Wouldn't surprise me if that one component cost >$50m.

For the record, power towers have been around since at least the 1980s; the technology isn't super novel, but it's all in the cost reductions since then.

Re:World’s Largest Solar Thermal Power Plant Delivers Power ... by raverbashing on Wednesday September 25, 2013 @08:55AM (#6444219)
Intersting!

Well, I don't know the details, if it works directly with steam then the circuits must withstand a high pressure as well no? (which can justify the higher cost)

But I thought that for thermal solar the most common case would be a molten salt circuit (high temperature low pressure) transferring heat to a steam circuit for better efficiency (and the heat storage capability of the salt)

Ah yes, the technology is not that new (it's heating with the sun after all)

Re:World’s Largest Solar Thermal Power Plant Delivers Power ... by ndonnellan on Wednesday September 25, 2013 @09:18AM (#6444339)
You are correct on both points. But you have to keep in mind that these projects were conceived more than 5 years ago, when everyone was hesitant to build a $2b salt plant. When you combine big money with old engineers, you get very conservative (with respect to technology).

For comparison, Solar Reserve has a salt plant under construction: http://www.solarreserve.com/what-we-do/csp-projects/crescent...

Re:World’s Largest Solar Thermal Power Plant Delivers Power ... by pivo on Wednesday September 25, 2013 @11:39AM (#6445212)
Curious: Any idea why a water cooled condenser wasn't used? Water scarcity?
Re:World’s Largest Solar Thermal Power Plant Delivers Power ... by danielweber on Wednesday September 25, 2013 @10:51AM (#6444915)
I read the comments first, and was expecting some very negative article.

It's not. It talks about both the positives (this is solar power that can run at night) and the negatives (it's expensive).