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Re:Elon Musk's Hyperloop is viable, says maker of simulation... by tptacek on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @08:17PM (#6409032)
"Because Elon Musk" is not a real rebuttal to any argument.

A somewhat cynical but I think on-the-money assessment of the Hyperloop is that it isn't at all a real proposal, but rather a sleight of hand to reduce buy-in to the CA HSR plan, which Musk opposes. That being the case, investing money in further studies seems like a dumb plan. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and there are extraordinary claims in Musk's proposal with no evidence backing them up, so the onus is probably on him.

Re:Elon Musk's Hyperloop is viable, says maker of simulation... by tod222 on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @11:05PM (#6409536)
> it isn't at all a real proposal, but rather a sleight of hand to reduce buy-in to the CA HSR plan, which Musk opposes.

Absolutely. People familiar with the tech industry should recognize this pattern: Announce a vaporware [1] product as part of a FUD [2] campaign against the enemy.

When considered in this way, Musk's actions with Hyperloop make a lot of sense. This is a classic FUD move against CA HSR.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware

[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty_and_doubt

Re:Elon Musk's Hyperloop is viable, says maker of simulation... by 9999 on Thursday September 19, 2013 @12:31AM (#6409808)
In what way are Musk's criticisms of the CA HSR plan FUD? Frankly, the HSR plan is a dud, and his criticisms are largely, if not entirely, valid. The cost is astronomically high, as a result of that the ticket costs will be greater than airfare. The route they've chosen also means that the journey will take far longer than it should. Would you actually consider taking a 2 hour 38 minute train trip from LA to SF at > $200 round-trip?

Even if Musk's Hyperloop proposal remains only a proposal, if nothing else it should give people serious pause about the existing plan, and hopefully force a revision of it. The route through Palmdale is utterly pointless, tacks on a dozen minutes to a trip that's already too long, and exists largely to satisfy NIMBYs and give fat checks to a bunch of property speculators. That particular element of the HSR plan reeks of cowardice, corruption and graft. Consider this as an alternative:

http://www.cahsrblog.com/2013/06/the-truth-about-tejon/

Musk's opposition to the existing plan is well reasoned and rational. Calling it FUD is itself a sort of FUD.

Re:Elon Musk's Hyperloop is viable, says maker of simulation... by icambron on Thursday September 19, 2013 @01:18AM (#6409983)
> In what way are Musk's criticisms of the CA HSR plan FUD?

No one is saying they were. The parent and grandparent are saying the Hyperloop announcement is FUD.

> if nothing else it should give people serious pause about the existing plan, and hopefully force a revision of it.

So, at the very least, the uncertainty and doubt parts of FUD?

Edit: s/fear/doubt