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Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by ryanobjc on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @01:40PM (#6406683)
I love paper writing, I think it represents one of the very best things of humanity - tool use, abstract thought.

But I really cant disagree with the use of moleskine more. It's paper quality has really gone downhill lately.

So I recommend http://www.leuchtturm1917.com/en - the features are the ones you want (similar to moleskine) and the paper quality is top notch.

Once you have switched to a quality paper, consider using a fountain pen. Aside from the style issues, the pen and writing quality is so awesome. The feel is out of this world, and sends a major signal to other people.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by runjake on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @01:48PM (#6406730)
Conversely, I can recommend those generic lab books* with gridded pages. You can find them at any grocery store. They're $3 max, and more durable that recent Moleskines. I also recommend Pilot pens that are <$3 a pop, because they just work, and you'll end up losing it anyway. And they won't leak on you.

I'm not sure what kind of signal it sends to other people, though. I can't find myself to care about that when it comes to what pens and paper I use.

* http://www.phy.ohiou.edu/~rieth/lab_book/cover.jpg

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by ryanobjc on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @01:54PM (#6406768)
Modern fountain pens don't leak anymore. Plus it adds a bit of fun and drama to writing.

Personally I found that it encouraged me to write more.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by brewdad on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:01PM (#6406816)
Can a lefty safely use a modern fountain pen? I've always stuck to the higher end "mass-market" pens since I end up wearing/smearing the ink of better pens.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by keithpeter on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:15PM (#6406920)
"Can a lefty safely use a modern fountain pen?"

The Lamy Safari is pretty Social Democratic. A few of my students actually buy them.

I prefer Uniball Signo 0.7mm myself, can be bought in most high street stationary shops in the UK.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by mbrock on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:43PM (#6407137)
"The Lamy Safari is pretty Social Democratic."

Beautiful, man.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by carterschonwald on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:48PM (#6407184)
I'm a lefty who uses a lamy safari. I'm pretty darn happy with it and use it every day. Also use noodlers heart of darkness ink which is both a lovely vibrant black, and also adheres to the paper but not my hand!
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by neonkiwi on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:08PM (#6407324)
Try a quick-drying ink from Noodler's, such as Bernake Blue or Bernake Black. I'm a big fan of the Platinum Preppy with an o-ring to seal the whole body allowing you to fill it with ink—it's dirt cheap and writes very well. I recently picked up a Pilot Metropolitan, slightly more money but again, impressive value and it comes with a converter (which is like a cartridge that lets you refill with your own ink).
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by bane on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:14PM (#6406912)
You can, but you have to write in that weird lefty trying to be a righty technique like President Obama does.

http://centerforplainlanguage.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10...

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by y2bd on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:01PM (#6407276)
To add to what the others have said, besides writing overhand (so your hand doesn't drag across what you just wrote), look for smaller nibs, drier inks, as well as more absorbent paper. Anything that will make the ink set faster instead of staying on top of the paper.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by leviathan on Thursday September 19, 2013 @03:26AM (#6410324)
I'm not sure what the exact problem is with writing left-handed.

I have been switching between writing right-handed arabic and english all my life with every kind of pen available, it has never been a problem. I never even noticed there's a difference.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by tjr on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:17PM (#6406930)
Could you recommend a particular fountain pen?
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by ryanobjc on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:54PM (#6407646)
I would actively discourage you from even looking at Mont Blanc. They are the designer pens of the ... uh pen world.

Personally I have enjoyed my Pelikan... german made, huge ink reservoir and as far as these things go not excessively expensive.

Also as many others have pointed out, disposable pens let you get used to the fountain pen world first.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by Spearchucker on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @06:31PM (#6408618)
I have a carbon fibre and silver Caran D'Arche. It cost me GB£ 500 seven years ago, and I use it daily. It, and my watch (a Breitling Navitimer) are the only things I've ever bought where I was able to perfectly balance utility, quality and aesthetics, and hence didn't care less about the cost.

The point is that what works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by gknoy on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:36PM (#6407085)
There are whole networks of fountain pen afficionatos with reviews, writing samples, etc for pens, paper, and inks. It's amazing. However, if you're starting out, I recommend getting a cheap pen and then move up if you feel the need.

The cheap Pilot Varsity disposable ones are a fantastic starter FP, as they cost about $3, a tenth (or less) of the price of a Good Fountain Pen. Ink isn't changeable, but the leaking is minimal. (They aren't waterproof, though.)

The advantage is, if you decide you don't like it, you aren't stuck with it, and if you lose it or loan it out, no big deal. I also like that Staples tends to sell them in a pack of three colors.

I've also used the Bic one [1]. It's also OK, and is partially waterproof, but its cap drives me bonkers. It's been a long time since I used one, though, as the pads at current employer bleed a bit when I used my fountain pens. I liked writing on the sugarcane spiral bound pads from Staples because they were so smooth.

1: http://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/2064...

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by canthonytucci on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:05PM (#6407309)
http://5by5.tv/penaddict has a few episodes discussing this. highly recommended if you like to hear people talk about pens for 40 minutes at a time.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by paulrademacher on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @08:38PM (#6409093)
Lamy Safari + Noodler's ink + a Z24 converter
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by Ma8ee on Thursday September 19, 2013 @04:02AM (#6410426)
Lamy Safari. I own and have used many much more expensive pens, but Lamy Safari (fine nib) is still my favourite.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by gtani on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:24PM (#6406994)
can you go to a stationary store or art supplies that deals in Waterman, Cross, Mont Blanc etc and try a bunch. Mostly they have gold nibs which make the ink flow really nicely, but they all balance and fit your hand differently, and after a while, the nib softens to how you write
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by canthonytucci on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:15PM (#6407381)
jetpens.com, pick up a lamy safari and a couple different nibs of different thicknesses to see what you like best.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by jonesetc on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:40PM (#6407548)
I've spent the past 8 years (just finished 6 years at university), trying to convince others to hop on grided paper. Probably the single most important part of my note taking strategy.

Still can't get myself to move to pens though.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by elehack on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @07:35PM (#6408888)
I'm not a fan of the lab books — they don't lie flat enough for me — but I do like my gridded notebook (high-quality company swag notebook courtesy of ipHouse). When that notebook fills, I'm not sure what I'll use to replace it.

I also really like Zebra F-301 (and compatible) pens. Inexpensive enough to justify easily buying (and buying again when I lose them), good enough to be worth buying refills for. I keep at least a black one, and often blue, everywhere I am likely to need a pen (home desk, work desk, bag). And the F-301 Compact is often in my pocket when I don't have my bag with me.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by wnewman on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @07:09PM (#6408779)
I like the Pilot "Precise V5" rollerball pens, and I use them a lot, and they hardly ever leak --- except they do seem to leak with significant probability if I carry them on an airplane. Possibly that's the source of your disagreement about leaks.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by toomuchtodo on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:59PM (#6407689)
Which Pilot pens would you recommend? I find the gel pens bleed across the paper unless I blow on my writing for a few minutes on Moleskin paper.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by zeckalpha on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:30PM (#6407045)
Pilot pens don't leak, except when you go on airplanes. Be careful.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by derekp7 on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:43PM (#6407146)
If you fill a fountain pen completely before air travel, it shouldn't leak (no air inside to act as a pressure differential). Also keep the pen pointing tip up.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by zeckalpha on Thursday September 19, 2013 @10:55AM (#6411993)
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by ryanobjc on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:54PM (#6407648)
Yup this, I havent ever had a fountain pen leak during air travel.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by manku_timma on Thursday September 19, 2013 @02:38AM (#6410196)
I've had this happen to me with a parker fountain pen. It never ever leaks under any circumstance other than air travel.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by normloman on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:16PM (#6406922)
Notes are supposed to be short. If you're writing so much that it would actually make sense to use a fountain pen, you're better off typing it.

And what is this "major signal" that it sends to others? That you're out of touch? That your pens cost more money? That you're pretentious?

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by derekp7 on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:34PM (#6407509)
The "major signal" is that you take your writing serious enough to invest in proper tools. Not a big deal in itself, but every subtle signal tells others that you are solid, and down to business. If you are worried about seeming too pretentious, if someone makes a comment about your pen, just casually mention that they are making a comeback, or something about it not being expensive. For example, some of the lower end Parker ones (Jotter, Frontier, Urban) are around the $20 mark.

Other things that send signals, include the way you dress (don't have to wear a tux everywhere you go, but wear clothes that fit, and have a sturdy look to them). Also it is helpful to work on your speaking skills, so that you speak with inflection and purpose. For example, listen to the difference between a radio host, and call in listeners.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by ryanobjc on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:57PM (#6407670)
Yes exactly this. Social signals matter.

To go a bit more meta, the question is, who are you? Who do you want to be? Who do you want people to perceive you as?

Using a fountain pen hits all the highlights to these questions.

Besides, it's just plain old COOL to be using a writing technology that is over 200 years old. The quality pens feel amazing, and encourage additional note taking for me.

Another advantage to paper notes: They arent searchable. Yup you heard me, NOT SEARCHABLE. Oh wait, you say, I want to search my notes... so I put everything in email. Then I get fired. And my boss owns my private notes. Oops.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by noja on Thursday September 19, 2013 @05:14AM (#6410631)
It's definitely not "cool" to use a fountain pen.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by normloman on Monday September 23, 2013 @10:40AM (#6431250)
"Because it makes me look cool" is not a good reason to switch pens.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by nja on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:17PM (#6406932)
I dunno, I recently bought a fountain pen and have been using it everywhere. It's just nicer and easier to write with. Short notes, long notes, journals, books, whatever.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by kaitai on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:37PM (#6407094)
Typing and writing long-hand produce different kinds of prose for me. I like to alternate. My typed prose is a bit jerkier, with a higher density of facts or points, while my long-hand prose has a more conversational flow.

And my hands start to ache if I use a ballpoint too long. Ever tried taking 5 hours of notes at a math conference with a crappy ballpoint? And live-texing is fine until you've got more pictures than text...

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by ryanobjc on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:58PM (#6407675)
So that's another thing, a larger, heavier pen actually reduces hand pain.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by anaphor on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:47PM (#6407174)
Did you know that Neal Stephenson wrote Cryptonomicon mostly with a fountain pen? Seems to work well for some people.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by cma on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:20PM (#6407409)
That is exactly parent's point: a fountain pen makes sense for long-form constant writing, but not for short burst, sporadic note-taking.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by jonesetc on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:52PM (#6407639)
No, that was just the first premise, the point was "you're better off typing it". They were implying that a fountain pen is a waste because it's only useful in situation you should be avoiding.

I think the parent you your post is a very valid criticism when paired with this sibling: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6407094

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by cju on Thursday September 19, 2013 @12:27PM (#6412641)
To be exact, he started with the Baroque Cycle (http://www.ericaustinlee.com/2008/10/neal-stephensons-writin...).
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by normloman on Monday September 23, 2013 @10:41AM (#6431259)
He did? So what.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by Terretta on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:42PM (#6407131)
I don't like having to hold a notebook open with two hands during a meeting. So I skip the Moleskine that doesn't fold over on itself (though I appreciate the Evernote edition), and go with a Japanese graph paper notebook that has a spiral binding, micro perf pages you can tear out and hand someone, tiny faint graph lines, and exquisite writing feel:

* Maruman Mnemosyne Inspiration Notebook, 5mm Squared *

Read a review here, covering how the paper interacts with pens, with an example of using the notebook for wireframe mockups: http://penaddict.com/blog/2009/5/13/review-maruman-mnemosyne...

Amazon in USA charges way too much: http://www.amazon.com/Maruman-Mnemosyne-Inspiration-Grid-6-3...

There also JetPens, also way too much: http://www.jetpens.com/Maruman-Mnemosyne-Inspiration-Noteboo...

I find these at a local Jerry's Artarama. They carry Maruman paper pads for speciality art media, and don't mind stocking the graph pads as well. By having it a regular stock item, it ends up under $5 a pad.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by agentultra on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:42PM (#6407564)
The Leuchtturm1917 is a very quality book. I switched from Moleskine myself and can't go back. The pre-numbered pages and table of contents is a life-saver. And the paper quality is somewhere in the realm of where Moleskine likely started at (I remember them being quite good at one point).

The way I use note-taking on pen-and-paper is not so much to stay organized as it is to train my thinking. I tend to be a lateral thinker and taking notes is a way of capturing thoughts as they come to me so that I can refine them and learn to organize them. I have found that in the >5-6 years I've been following the practice that I tend to collect my thoughts in streams now compared to when I started when my thoughts were much more sporadic.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by dbpatterson on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @08:32PM (#6409068)
The best notebooks I've found yet I stumbled upon in stationary stores in Greece. They are A5, 50 sheets, with flexible covers and small grids. And cost ~1.5 euro each (I bought 10 of them). They are school notebooks, similar to the composition notebooks we have, except a little thiner, with soft covers, and slightly smaller. I don't know where to get them elsewhere (this looks similar, but no guarantee: http://www.kapsis.gr/product.php?products_id=4127), but I wish I could - the size, page count, flexibility (they'll lie flat, can have the covers folded back) is better than anything I've used, and they don't cost $10 each (or $20+ for some of the ridiculous ones). Cheap enough that I use them for everything, but nice enough that numerous people have asked where they can get them. I just wish someone would import them / make a similar product here :)
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by christiangenco on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:07PM (#6406860)
Picadilly notebooks are about half the price of Moleskines, and none of my friends can tell the difference: http://www.amazon.com/Piccadilly-Essential-Notebook-Medium-B...
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by keithpeter on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:05PM (#6406842)
I was a little unimpressed with Moleskine paper when I bought one of their notebooks a few years ago. Now I use artists' sketch books (Rowney, Daler, Bright White of Brighton in the UK). Paper around 100 g/m^2 is a good balance between taking any form of ink/pencil and getting a reasonable number of pages in a book.

I'm not very systematic though...

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by stevejb on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @08:11PM (#6409013)
Genuinely curious, what signal do you think it sends? I typically put a lot thought into my physical stuff, but I do not have any connotation, positive or negative, regarding fountain pen usage. If I saw a person using a fountain pen, I would probably think, "That person must like pens. Cool." and that would be about the extent of it.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by infinityetc on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:26PM (#6407460)
I use Muji notebooks. They're cheap and the perfect size for me. They have a store in SoMa SF.

http://www.muji.us/store/stationery/notebooks/recycled-paper...

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by bscottmay on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @02:27PM (#6407018)
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by a8da6b0c91d on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:14PM (#6407370)
The bound notebook thing is totally a silly hipster retro fetish. Ringed binders make so much more sense for notes and planning. Insert, remove, and rearrange pages as needed. Bind in irregular bits of paper with those plastic sheet protectors. Add labeled dividers as needed. Add computer printouts!

The only thing to use a bound notebook for is a chronological journal.

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by ryanobjc on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:59PM (#6407694)
I mostly take notes during meetings, which tend to happen in a chronological order.

When I was in school, subject-wise yes I used looseleaf paper. Man it's sad when you lose a sheet...

Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by adestefan on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @04:02PM (#6407712)
People said the same thing 6 years ago, but then it wasn't hipsters.
Re:How To Take Exceptional Notes and Be Productive with Paper by Supermighty on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @03:06PM (#6407312)
I couldn't agree more. Moleskine paper quality is poor. I prefer Field Notes Brand for my pocket notebooks.

Also Jet Pens for a large selection of high-quality pens to write with.