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Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by coldtea on Monday September 16, 2013 @06:52PM (#6396410)
Well, for me, a consumer, O'Reilly failed in other regards.

1) It started producing mediocre books by the dozens. Gone are the days were the O'Reilly tomes (like the Perl books) were THE definitive books on a language.

2) It started promoting all sorts of half-though marketing/visionary crap (Thomas Friedman means Alvus Toffler style), on Open Source, Web 2.0 etc.

3) The Safari bookstore (which I was on and off subscriber over the years) had BS restrictions and a bad UI. I haven't even bothered to check if they provide a good tablet story nowadays.

Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by JPKab on Monday September 16, 2013 @08:59PM (#6396946)
Don't even get me started on the mediocre books. It's a shame, because there are still some very good books being produced with the O'Reilly name on them, but no longer can I trust them to be good because there's an animal on the cover.

The worst book I have bought in the past two years was O'Reilly's Building Node Applications with MongoDB and Backbone.

My quick, capsule review of that book: Piece of Shit. Bad example code, horrific continuity, next to no editing, it had everything needed to be lumped in with the crappy tech books. Ironically, the "Sam's Teach Yourself" Node.js book (which I had already gone through and was hoping to expand upon with the O'Reilly purchase) was vastly superior.

I wish I could get my money back, but I don't think Amazon does refunds for ebooks.

Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by franze on Tuesday September 17, 2013 @04:43AM (#6398255)
>Piece of Shit. Bad example code, horrific continuity, next to no editing, it had everything needed to be lumped in with the crappy tech books.

exactly the same can be said about their couchdb-book (first edition)

i have worse things to say about their "Data Source Handbook", the fact that they STILL sell it is unbelievable

but to be fair: the functionalJS book and DOM enlightenment (see http://domenlightenment.com) were quite decent. both books recommended.

Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by JPKab on Wednesday September 18, 2013 @06:11PM (#6408495)
While we're being fair, I'm currently working through the O'Reilly "Clojure Programming" book, and it is fantastic. The other Clojure books assume tons of Java knowledge, while this one takes a "coming from Ruby or Python" approach.
Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by cgag on Thursday September 19, 2013 @08:16PM (#6415190)
Yes, Clojure Programming is amazing.
Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by ilamont on Monday September 16, 2013 @10:30PM (#6397255)
I wish I could get my money back, but I don't think Amazon does refunds for ebooks.

There is a one-week window to return ebooks in the U.S.

Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by toyg on Tuesday September 17, 2013 @05:49AM (#6398394)
1) I think the OSS landscape has simply changed. We used to have a handful of languages and frameworks with cryptic documentation, which O'Reilly books could coalesce in definitive bibles. Now you have new stuff coming out every day, github repositories all over the place, new tools, languages on top of languages... It's much harder to figure out what matters and what not. In that sense, O'Reilly is holding better than most other publishers, in what is probably a lost war (things will accelerate more and more, to the point where relevant point-in-time documentation will become impossible to produce in book format).

2) I agree on this. I wrote it down to the spirit of "American optimism" that us Europeans can find a bit distasteful, and sometimes it just seems too self-serving, fanning the flames of this or that technological phenomenon in order to sell more books. However, that's his job, and at least he tries to bring some open debate on the topics rather than leaving big players to come out with The Next Big Thing on their own.

3) All O'Reilly eBooks get automatically synchronised to your Dropbox folder in pdf, ePub and Mobi, which I think is a fantastic story for mobile (could do with better Kindle integration I guess, but Amazon holds the keys to that particular kingdom). I've never used Safari tbh, I'm not a fan of subscriptions.

Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by iooi on Monday September 16, 2013 @09:15PM (#6397006)
What publishers do you recommend? I've been a real big fan of No Starch Press lately, though they don't have that many books yet. Syngress also isn't bad.
Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by InclinedPlane on Tuesday September 17, 2013 @05:47AM (#6398389)
Manning[1], the Pragmatic Bookshelf[2], and Apress[3] have been the best in my experience. They cover relevant topics and technologies, the books are typically written by experts and written well, there are ebook versions of everything at reasonable-ish pricing, and sometimes you can get early access to books before their finished.

1: http://manning.com/ 2: http://pragprog.com/titles 3: http://www.apress.com/

Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by gummadi on Tuesday September 17, 2013 @01:30AM (#6397755)
I really like books from Manning publications. Their "in action" series are excellent.
Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by dpeck on Tuesday September 17, 2013 @01:25AM (#6397736)
If Syngress isn't bad then they've definitely improved. For a while they had some great security titles, but the mid/later half of the last decade they produced a lot of bad books. Terrible editing, repeating chapters used in different books, etc. I don't think Ive bought one of their titles in the last 4-5 year and I haven't regretted it.
Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by bjterry on Tuesday September 17, 2013 @05:21AM (#6398345)
It's really alien to me to judge a book based on its publisher. Whenever I need a book I check out reviews on Amazon or on programming sites to find the best in class. Is there a reason that it matters that I'm not thinking of?
Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by vidarh on Tuesday September 17, 2013 @06:58AM (#6398574)
It mattered a lot before. If you had no online reviews to go by, going into a book store and picking up an O'Reilly book was a reasonably good bet.

It doesn't matter so much now, and it also only worked because O'Reilly was a small publisher who had the benefit of being able to be really picky about authors and subjects. It doesn't scale when you want to get a large number of books out on subjects where you may have very little choice in authors. How many people are qualified to write a book about [insert random 5 months old javascript library of the week]? Often it might be a handful of people, several of whom won't be interested and/or are bad writers.

Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by franze on Tuesday September 17, 2013 @04:32AM (#6398228)
"failure #4: tolerating mediocrity" gives me hope for the future of the animal books. i never understood why tim tolerated books - in the quality range from mediocre to bad to scam (i.e.: http://goo.gl/XrZs3c) - which only sold because his name is on the cover, thus hurting his reputation and nullifying all his "... create more value than you can capture" talks. but well, if this essay is not only marketing (it certainly sounds a little bit like it) then there might still be some hope for the animal books. i own these books my career so i certainly hope they can turn this around.
Re:Tim O'Reilly: How I Failed by blumentopf on Tuesday September 17, 2013 @07:37AM (#6398670)
In the 1990s every O'Reilly book (except for the extremely think ones like Sendmail or Unix Power Tools) used the awesome "RepKover" lay-flat binding which was later done away with. Guess that was a result of the "financial discipline" dogma. :-(