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Re:Ask HN: Where do I go from here? by mistermann on Monday June 01, 2009 @03:24PM (#636617)
Honestly, could you point me to any substantial documentation of Af-Americans putting in the same amount of work but running into barriers? I realize they are largely at the bottom of the rung, but it is my perception that it is largely because of a culture of refusing to "sell out", ie: learn to speak proper english, drop the attitude, delay gratification, etc.

Yes I fully realize this is a racist attitude, but I honestly haven't seen anything noteworthy to make me think otherwise.

(FWIW...I think a ridiculously large proportion of "whites" are incredibly unskilled and unintelligent as well....but it seems to me they don't put effort into it, they are just accidentally incompetent).

Re:Ask HN: Where do I go from here? by billm on Monday June 01, 2009 @05:33PM (#636844)
You made some interesting points here.. I think you are a man of science and being such a theory you hold based on seemingly limited facts is never published.

The statement made the US African Amerians are to Moraccans to France. The premise I can never agree upon. France has never had a Moraccan president. Until then I can't agree to your premise. An there being at Least 100 more reasons why the parrellal can never be drawn.. I would say that it was a reach.. My encouragement to you is to continue to live and seek and an understanding. Talk to people and, that is where books come from.. The experience of someone else. Enjoy some for yourself.. Believe me it enriches life..

Re:Ask HN: Where do I go from here? by billm on Monday June 01, 2009 @04:36PM (#636738)
JuliusMcfly, sought insight and understanding to his problem, its obvious that you and confusion lacks insight and understanding in other areas (expousing racist views) and are willing to speak without sound judgement,insight and substantial reference, how can julius or anyone else bank on your opinion in this forum or any other? Its obvious that your opinion will be misinformed,unreliable, deviates from the issue at hand and wrapped with distorted and arrogant views.
Re:Ask HN: Where do I go from here? by mistermann on Monday June 01, 2009 @05:22PM (#636827)
All of this is "obvious" to you?

Do you think, just maybe, that you're reading a bit too much into my question??

Re:Ask HN: Where do I go from here? by billm on Monday June 01, 2009 @04:01PM (#636675)
You admit to making racist comments, but seem to be very confident in your thoughts, and you seem to be a bright guy how can you be so certain of your self-admitted unintelligent views. Your perspective is a perspective taken by most who lacks understanding. I appreciate that. I even appreciate your opinion. I realize that you admit that they are limited to your world of perspective, by adopting racist views,understand that they lack perspective and significant thought. We are all limited by our perspective and to speak with limited perspective is to speak often time foolishly. I'm sure you have people that may listen to you and that may look up to you. Do the world a favor and simply state that what you say are based on your opinion and your perspective is limited.

That's your disclaimer.

Re:Ask HN: Where do I go from here? by mistermann on Monday June 01, 2009 @05:13PM (#636800)
I think maybe you missed my point....I was questioning the statement: "African Americans are as much 'an economic and social underclass' in the US as Moroccans are in France."

I think we can accept this as a general truth, correct? My question was related to why this is, as in, is this position deserved (as in, not earning a better position, in the aggregate), or is it due to being underrewarded for performing the same work as other classes.

I was hoping someone could point me in the direction of studies on this specific angle. As noted, I am fully aware that my current best guess on this is racist, that is not my question....my question is, is it correct (despite being racist). I know all "broad minded" people such as yourself "know" everyone is equal, but others, such as myself, prefer some study into it. All I have to go on from my perspective in life is what I see/encounter, and people's opinions (often based on only a theory).