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Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by smtddr on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @04:23PM (#6363175)
"subpoena proof"... hmm

Do you believe disabling the reader in a software-setting is enough to be sure it's not working? I don't. With all these NSA concerns going about, having a hardware fingerprint-reader on your smartphone that you can't avoid touching is something to think about.

Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by ripter on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @04:29PM (#6363231)
"If you've ever handled a penny, the government's got your DNA. Why do you think they keep 'em in circulation?" - Simpsons
Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by smtddr on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @04:32PM (#6363246)
An internet-enabled smartphone fp-reader is probably just a little more accurate than a random penny floating about in society.......-_-
Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by PeterisP on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @04:47PM (#6363369)
Actually, random banknotes can usually be traced to a specific person, so any DNA traces could probably be linked - there have been experiments that show that majority of non-tiny banknotes are [A] put in ATM [B] given out to a known person; [C] given to a shop/vendor; [D] retrieved by the bank. So, given multiple banknotes, they could reasonably list the identities of people who shopped in that shop, simply by looking at the banknote serial numbers.
Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by smtddr on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @04:54PM (#6363426)
That I can understand, but it's "approximate" info on a banknote that probably has a couple of fingerprints. Even if the store had a video-camera, it's gonna be a bit tough to figure out exactly who gave a given $20 bill to the cashier. And since this person is using cash and not a creditcard, all they got is a (usually bad-quality) store-cam of someone that they think is the one who handed a given $20 bill to the cashier... meh, that's pretty fuzzy. Even if I told the FBI that I'm going to the mall and I will spend a $20 bill this Saturday, I think it would still be exceedingly difficult to find the exact bill unless they were tailing me the whole time. In which case I've already been located & identified by the FBI as a person-of-interest within their physical reach, so I'm already as good as dead.
Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by jeromeflipo on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @05:59PM (#6363819)
Do you have any source about such experiment? I've always wondered about the cash flows analytics!
Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by 51Cards on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @04:49PM (#6363385)
A Simpsons' quote is also probably directed a little more towards the humour end of the scale.
Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by jlgreco on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @04:55PM (#6363428)
They undoubtedly have the fingerprints of any American they care to (hell, they got mine during 4th grade when a police officer came to our school to "teach us about fingerprinting"). However iPhones are of course used throughout the world...

Even ignoring the specific issue of fingerprints, which I am not convinced is a major concern, the widespread use gives numerous other reasons for pause.

Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by brador on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @04:28PM (#6363228)
You could place a sticker over the reader/home button to block covert reading.
Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by VladRussian2 on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @04:40PM (#6363314)
you accidentally touch it one time without cover - done. And all the stores where people come and try the devices... (personally as an immigrant i already have my fingerprints on file, so i have nothing to worry about, it is just very amusing to see how another couple of billions would be gathered as well once Android phones replicate the feature :)

Welcome to the Total Information Awareness world.

Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by milesskorpen on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @05:47PM (#6363748)
It takes 30-60 seconds to get a read the first time.
Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by smtddr on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @04:33PM (#6363258)
That is a FANTASTIC idea. Get ready to see a kickstarter showing cool button-covers or replacement buttons for those not afraid to open their iPhones.
Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by swamp40 on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @05:12PM (#6363541)
Or a Kickstarter selling replica Bin Laden fingers.

10,000 of those would keep the NSA quite busy.

(I guess you'd need a live terrorist's finger to replicate though. Those NSA types are pretty smart.)

Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by gcr on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @05:50PM (#6363763)
Stick a piece of tape over the home button. Problem solved.

It's your hardware after all. If you're worried about it, take steps to protect yourself.

Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by Someone on Tuesday September 10, 2013 @06:33PM (#6364021)
Will that work? 'The internet' (e.g. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57602245-37/iphone-5s-come...) claims the sensor uses capacitance, not a camera, so you might need tinfoil tape.
Re:Apple Unveils The iPhone 5S by gcr on Saturday September 14, 2013 @10:56PM (#6387969)
Well. Being cynical for a moment, that's a great way for Apple to guarantee the fingerprint scanner always gets a good capture.

If I ever own one of these phones, I might have to make it a point in my muscle memory to use my knuckle to press the home button.