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Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by Raphmedia on Friday September 06, 2013 @04:43PM (#6342563)
... I already get pretty much any phone for free with a 2 or more year plan. How is this different?
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by ireadzalot on Friday September 06, 2013 @04:52PM (#6342613)
Except it is not free. You pay for the phone in monthly installments when you pay your phone bill.
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by stephengillie on Friday September 06, 2013 @04:55PM (#6342628)
You pay at least $800-1000 for that $600 smartphone when you pay for it across 24 months instead of paying for it all at once.
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by f0under on Friday September 06, 2013 @05:03PM (#6342665)
I've never quite understood this statement. Aren't you still going to pay the monthly installments regardless of whether you were in a contract or not? On ATT, Verizon, etc, the non-contract prices aren't cheaper than the ones on contract.

So, at the end of two years, you'll be paying the same amount for your phone bill and have a subsidized device.

Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by untog on Friday September 06, 2013 @05:03PM (#6342670)
You're right. However, some telcos do offer cheaper monthly rates. T-Mobile is leading the charge on that in the US.
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by abruzzi on Friday September 06, 2013 @05:48PM (#6342878)
Yes if you stay with ATT/Verizon/Sprint. If you instead choose a MVNO like StraightTalk or Virgin Mobile, you'll pay less. I pay $45/mo on StraightTalk, and when I buy a new phone in the next year or so, I'll jump to $30/mo with Virgin Mobile since I don't need unlimited voice (or text...).
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by cube13 on Friday September 06, 2013 @06:03PM (#6342937)
If you're paying for yourself and either buying used or slightly outdated hardware(or getting a new Nexus 4), this is probably completely true. If you're bundling several smartphones and regular phones, the contract price can win out. You still need to shop around to see what the best price is if you're going with iOS or the more expensive Android devices.

For example, since I'm sharing a plan with my family, the ATT contract comes out to around 20% cheaper than a similar contractless byo device Virgin Mobile service for iPhones, upgrading only after the contract is up.

Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by bad_user on Friday September 06, 2013 @06:07PM (#6342954)
In Romania I pay 15€ monthly for a PrePay plan with 1 GB of data, 3000 minutes in the same network and 150 national/international minutes. It's a PrePay, no contract, and I've seen similar deals in other European countries.

Trust me, you're being ripped off.

Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by sliverstorm on Friday September 06, 2013 @05:06PM (#6342681)
non-contract prices aren't cheaper than the ones on contract.

That's just because of how ubiquitous the subsidized phone model already is.

Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by graeme on Friday September 06, 2013 @05:21PM (#6342741)
I have an iphone, but don't want a data plan. I pay $35 per month (Chatr, in Canada) for unlimited calling and texting.

I bought the phone outright. Most telcos would make me pay $80 per month over a couple of years to get the subsidized phone. A much more expensive deal for something I don't want.

Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by dlhavema on Friday September 06, 2013 @06:13PM (#6342976)
can you do that on other networks? most of the phone reps say you can't use a smartphone without a dataplan, since "everything goes over data" as they say.. my wife would love a smartphone, but not the dataplan...
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by alanctgardner2 on Friday September 06, 2013 @06:35PM (#6343051)
You absolutely don't need a data plan - my girlfriend is on Rogers with a smartphone kitted out as a dumbphone. Just turn off packet data (in the network settings menu) and you're set. You might not be eligible for subsidies on some devices though: many carriers have a minimum monthly cost to get the full discount.
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by graeme on Friday September 06, 2013 @10:26PM (#6343683)
Almost always, yes, as long as you own the phone. I had a non-data plan for years with FIDO. If the rep says you can't, ask for someone else.
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by jusben1369 on Friday September 06, 2013 @06:22PM (#6343002)
Wow would love a US equivalent of this if it's out there? Could turn an older iPhone 4 into a cell phone for kid without an expensive data plan (they're without a wireless option about 12 minutes of the day)
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by IanChiles on Friday September 06, 2013 @06:50PM (#6343099)
I have a AT&T-mvno Straight Talk plan here in the US that costs 45$/month for unlimited data/talk/text - it's vastly cheaper to just purchase the phones outright. Too bad straight talk quit selling AT&T compatible SIM cards a few months ago.
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by darren_ on Friday September 06, 2013 @05:55PM (#6342908)
Over in Japan (only experience I have of contract-cellphone-ownership) it is spelled out very clearly when you start a 2-year cellphone contract with a 0-yen upfront phone that you're actually buying the handset over a period of 24 months and the cost is x yen per month (and this is broken out in your bill). Do they not do this in the US?
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by rprospero on Friday September 06, 2013 @06:41PM (#6343073)
Imagine that you're heading out to a restaurant for dinner and getting a nice plate of nachos. However, at the start of your meal, you pull out a big bag of tortilla chips. You then tell the waiter that you've brought your own chips and don't want to use the restaurant's chips. I've known a couple of friendly restaurant owners who would agree to something like this (e.g. for allergies), but not one of them would have given a discount for it. The meal comes with chips, even if you don't want them or eat them. You're going to pay for their chips, even if you bring your own.

Most of the US phone carriers have the same attitude towards phones. Your cellular contract comes with a phone. If you want to bring your own phone, that's fine, but the price is going to be the same whether you use their phone or your own.

Thankfully, some of the smaller carriers are moving away from this attitude, but bringing your own phone can still be a major pain. After all, the only thing better for a salesman's commission than selling you an expensive contract in exchange for a phone is selling you that same contract and not giving you a phone.

Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by alanctgardner2 on Friday September 06, 2013 @06:33PM (#6343045)
Nope! The best part is, if you bring your own phone (or hold onto one longer than 2 years) - no savings! You get to subsidize someone else's phone (or bonus). Frankly, this is something I wish the CRTC would sort out.
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by silentOpen on Friday September 06, 2013 @06:42PM (#6343076)
No. In the US, you continue to pay your original contract fee (including overpriced handset payment) even after the contract expires. The handset cost is not broken out. After 2 years, the telco expects you to re-up a new 2 year contract and get a new phone.

Consumer mobile telecom in the US is fundamentally broken.

Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by jusben1369 on Friday September 06, 2013 @06:23PM (#6343008)
Heck no! That would spoil the fun.
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by gr2020 on Friday September 06, 2013 @04:52PM (#6342615)
The article is referring to being free with no contract required.
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by carmentop on Friday September 06, 2013 @05:48PM (#6342882)
You poor fool.
Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by Raphmedia on Monday September 09, 2013 @11:59AM (#6354222)
Well, that escalated quickly!

I wasn't thinking about the latest iPhone. I was talking about how some companies will chip in a "old" phone to get you to sign with them.

Re:Amazon Wants To Offer Its Smartphone for Free. Who Will F... by AsymetricCom on Friday September 06, 2013 @06:22PM (#6343003)
Same, I got my house for free. IT sector has a long way to go to catch up with financial products.