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Re:Beijing says 400 million Chinese cannot speak Mandarin by kyllo on Friday September 06, 2013 @01:46PM (#6341658)
The common analogy is that Chinese "dialects" are really different languages in the same Chinese language family (they have a common ancestor), the same way that Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Corsican, Catalan, etc. are different languages in the Romance language family (their common ancestor is Latin).

Where it gets confusing is when nationalism gets involved. Mandarin and Wu are different "dialects" of the same "language" because they're from the same country. Italian and Spanish are different "languages" because they're from different countries. It's a political distinction.

Linguists tend toward using mutual intelligibility as the difference between a language and a dialect, but it's fuzzy. Beijing and Shanghai dialect are almost totally mutually unintelligible, but if you walked from Beijing down to Shanghai, each village, town, or city you pass will speak a dialect that's still mutually intelligible with the immediately neighboring village/town/city's.

But really, the words "dialect" and "language" mean essentially the same thing in English.

Re:Beijing says 400 million Chinese cannot speak Mandarin by dragonwriter on Friday September 06, 2013 @02:42PM (#6341966)
Linguists tend toward using mutual intelligibility as the difference between a language and a dialect, but it's fuzzy. Beijing and Shanghai dialect are almost totally mutually unintelligible, but if you walked from Beijing down to Shanghai, each village, town, or city you pass will speak a dialect that's still mutually intelligible with the immediately neighboring village/town/city's.

So, its a "ring language" (by analogy to a "ring species" [1] in biology.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species

Re:Beijing says 400 million Chinese cannot speak Mandarin by abayer on Friday September 06, 2013 @03:13PM (#6342105)
The equivalent term in linguistics is "dialect continuum" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dialect_continuum
Re:Beijing says 400 million Chinese cannot speak Mandarin by jamesli on Friday September 06, 2013 @02:21PM (#6341843)
Agree. It is not sufficient to use mutual intelligibility to distinguish language from dialect.