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Re:Easy Steps to a Complete Understanding of SQL by lukaseder on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @10:53AM (#6321296)
I'm sure you'll agree with Stonebraker's recent (actually, not so recent) claims that the relational model is "all wrong":

http://blog.jooq.org/2013/08/24/mit-prof-michael-stonebraker...

htsql seems very interesting. I should soon blog about your product and critique. Have you been publishing elsewhere?

Re:Easy Steps to a Complete Understanding of SQL by bcoates on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @12:13PM (#6321751)
That's not complaining about the relational model at all, he's complaining about implementation details of common RDBMSes being obsolete, as they're based on row-oriented storage, slow disks, small memory, and limited concurrency.

Things like Amazon Redshift are still relational but make radically different decisions on most of those points.

Edit: that talk is well worth reading, btw. I wonder why he completely ignores flash though?

Re:Easy Steps to a Complete Understanding of SQL by MichaelGG on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @08:16PM (#6324774)
Actually the title is "The Traditional RDBMS Wisdom is All Wrong".

He's arguing against multithreaded systems in favour of a partitioned OLTP platform like H-Store (VoltDB). I didn't see anything about the relational model being "all wrong". It works well for lots of scenarios, and turning it into a KV store is also straightforward.

As far as SQL, I think people agree it's not the best query language. QUEL may have won, but Stonebraker says[1]: "The only reason SQL won in the marketplace was because IBM released DB2 in 1984 without changing the System R query language."

1: http://iggyfernandez.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/nocoug-journal...

Re:Easy Steps to a Complete Understanding of SQL by GFischer on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @01:01PM (#6322109)
Thanks for linking to that talk, it deserves a submission all of its own.
Re:Easy Steps to a Complete Understanding of SQL by pkj on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @01:45PM (#6322417)
Absolutely. Very interesting talk. Definitely deserves a submission.

BTW, the person asking the last couple of questions is Ed Bugnion, one of the co-founders of VMWare. He is a faculty now at EPFL.

Re:Easy Steps to a Complete Understanding of SQL by lukaseder on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @03:56PM (#6323343)
Interesting, I didn't know that!
Re:Easy Steps to a Complete Understanding of SQL by lukaseder on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @03:57PM (#6323348)
I actually submitted it, but it didn't get too much traction...