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Re:Google is defragging Android by andrewfong on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @02:09AM (#6319288)
> The real keys are that your Android device is locked down, fixing it voids your warranty

As it should. There's nothing in open source that requires a warranty. Here's a snippet from the MIT license, generally considered open:

"THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT."

And from the GPL, also open:

"THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW."

When manufacturers go out of their way to lock down a device, I agree that's a jerk move. But I also don't think it's reasonable to expect them to agree to replace your device if it bricks after you've hacked the firmware. Obviously, the device may be bricked for reasons entirely unrelated to whatever you've hacked, but I don't begrudge manufacturers for drawing a line in the sand and not wanting to expend resources beyond it.

Re:Google is defragging Android by fleitz on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @04:01AM (#6319649)
Perhaps you shouldn't have to modify a firmware to install your own OS on an 'open' platform.

IBM somehow figured out how to do it on an IBM 5150 back in the early 80s and my Raspberry Pi supports it on ARM systems.

I'm happy to use my iPhone which doesn't allow firmware mods under warranty, however, I've never heard Apple talk about the iPhone being an open platform. Google's stance on the openness of Android strikes me as disingenuous.

Re:Google is defragging Android by ZeroGravitas on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @04:10AM (#6319673)
Apple talking point # 3124: we never claimed our platform was open so we can be more hardline than RMS when critiquing Android.

Yeah, that one never gets boring.

Re:Google is defragging Android by fleitz on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @04:28AM (#6319732)
Apple requested Google call it GNU/Android? Must have missed that one.
Re:Google is defragging Android by simias on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @04:52AM (#6319818)
What are you talking about? The android userland is not provided by GNU (and is not even GPL to begin with).
Re:Google is defragging Android by saraid216 on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @02:03PM (#6322557)
That's #3125. #3124 is "We are sexy and we know it."
Re:Google is defragging Android by lokedhs on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @10:12PM (#6325164)
What part of Android requires keys to install?

Oh, you mean the _hardware_ is locked down? Guess what, I can't install Ubuntu on an Iphone either. I guess that makes Ubuntu non-open then?

Re:Google is defragging Android by ams6110 on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @07:04AM (#6320192)
You'll find very similar disclaimers in nearly all licensed, closed-source software as well.
Re:Google is defragging Android by zobzu on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @05:20AM (#6319904)
anyone can make a license that is both open source and providing warranty btw.

open source licenses generally don't provide warranty because they don't have to and devs, providing free stuff, certainly do not want to bother with warranties. Companies could.

Re:Google is defragging Android by DominikR on Tuesday September 03, 2013 @01:33PM (#6322333)
Sure, they could. But it would be insane. (at least at the current prices)

Just compare how much an insurance costs that covers damages caused by yourself (being negligent) as opposed to those covering only damages caused by hardware/software defects.