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Re:Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video) by larsbot on Monday September 02, 2013 @04:17PM (#6316952)
From the article: The line between Tokyo and Osaka is expected to cost approximately $90 billion and it won't be completed until 2045

I think California's high speed rail project should be cancelled, but big infrastructure projects do cost a lot of money and take a long time, both in Japan and the US.

Re:Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video) by melling on Monday September 02, 2013 @05:02PM (#6317175)
It's going to be even more expensive in 30-40 years to build a maglev between LA and SF. Much of the cost is in obtaining the land. Wouldn't it be cheaper to build the first train now then turn it into a 320 mph maglev in 40 years?
Re:Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video) by larsbot on Monday September 02, 2013 @06:31PM (#6317557)
The cost is going to be high, maybe $100 billion by the time the project is done. Even with the feds helping, that is a huge sum. Are we really going to get the most "bang" for our bucks? How often do people travel between LA and SF anyways? Improve BART, VTA light rail and CalTrain (in the Bay Area), and I suspect it will have a much larger positive impact on the lives of more people.
Re:Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video) by kposehn on Monday September 02, 2013 @08:23PM (#6317993)
There would be a huge benefit from a high speed rail network in California, for sure.

My main issue is the way they are going about it, which is a highly politicized construction process along with some really out-of-order prioritization.

It would be much better to start with the low hanging fruit, like grade separation and electrification of Caltrain. That line would benefit immensely from some major upgrades, such as longer station platforms. To be fair, the most recent round of upgrades (ctc, quadruple track sections, new rolling stock) have been very well done.

Re:Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video) by Anechoic on Monday September 02, 2013 @07:21PM (#6317762)
* How often do people travel between LA and SF anyways?*

According to the WSJ, 6 million people per year travel between LA & SF via air every year. I can't find highway numbers, but I gotta believe it's about the same order of magnitude, if not higher.

Improve BART, VTA light rail and CalTrain (in the Bay Area), and I suspect it will have a much larger positive impact on the lives of more people.

All of the above need to be done, both will have a positive impact of even more people.

Re:Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video) by larsbot on Monday September 02, 2013 @08:30PM (#6318017)
Cal-HSRA predicts that by 2040 the train will reduce highway miles traveled by 10 million miles a day[1]. For comparison, in May 2013, there were 15.3 billion miles of travel just on California highways[2]. A reduction of 10 million miles a day would be about 2%, and assuming people continue to move into the state, the number of highway mile traveled per day will likely be quite a bit higher in 2040 than it is today.

I don't know, it just doesn't seem like a very compelling argument to me. The state doesn't have unlimited resources. Spend the money where it will do the most good.

[1] http://www.hsr.ca.gov/docs/newsroom/fact%20sheets/Good%20for...

[2] most recent month with available statistics, lots more data available here http://traffic-counts.dot.ca.gov/

Re:Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video) by Anechoic on Monday September 02, 2013 @08:39PM (#6318049)
A reduction of 10 million miles a day would be about 2%,

In highway terms, that's a significant reduction. A reduction on the order of 1-3% (it depends on a number of factors including number of lanes, and distance between exits) can get you from LOS F traffic (stop & go) to LOD C/D traffic (heavy, but moving traffic).

Re:Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video) by prawn on Monday September 02, 2013 @09:09PM (#6318143)
I think the Japanese route includes a lot of tunnelling, including under cities and through mountains.
Re:Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video) by ekianjo on Monday September 02, 2013 @07:37PM (#6317820)
That's precisely why these kind of high speed trains have no future. They cost way too much in infrastructure.
Re:Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video) by e12e on Monday September 02, 2013 @11:49PM (#6318739)
Right. And the initial railways that crossed the US were affordable?
Re:Japan's maglev train runs test at over 310 mph (with video) by ekianjo on Wednesday September 04, 2013 @04:46AM (#6326343)
Right. Did we have planes, cars and so on when we build the initial railways?

I thought so.