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Re:Man accused of teaching people to beat lie detector tests... by DannyBee on Sunday September 01, 2013 @12:52AM (#6309204)
"I will never respect or trust a lawyer again. This is endemic in our society." You should totally make blanket statements based on a single experience.
Re:Man accused of teaching people to beat lie detector tests... by samstave on Sunday September 01, 2013 @01:11AM (#6309229)
Not a single experience. The most egregious. I do not have a singular happy experience with any lawyer where I felt, you know, actually represented.

If you have had the fortune of having a lawyer do you well, good for you. I have never once experienced this. I have many examples to draw from.

EDIT: well well well, you're actually a lawyer. No wonder your bias.

Many examples:

* Didn't read my filings prior to court

* Forgot our conversations, and misrepresented my statements

* charged thousands, never showed up in court

* threatening me

* accusing me of threatening them (example cited)

* charging many thousands of dollars for retainer, while never doing any hours of work aside from a 30-minute phone call

* charging me telling me they could achieve a certain outcome, then telling me that there was nothing they could do and it was out of their control.

Yeah - fuck that.

Re:Man accused of teaching people to beat lie detector tests... by westicle on Sunday September 01, 2013 @02:27AM (#6309341)
Genuine question - have you considered that the problem might be you?

Sure, there are bad lawyers like there are bad examples of anything else you care to name. It sucks that you've had a bad time of it, divorce court can't be fun.

But the fact that every interaction you've had seems negative - with your own lawyers, opposing lawyers, judges and even bailiffs (who are essentially non-legal admin/security staff) reveals a pattern. Eventually you have to ask: Is the whole world crazy, or just me?

Disclosure: I am a lawyer. I've had very difficult clients in the past. I generally get along well with clients, opposing counsel and even the opposing clients (to the extent we interact).

Re:Man accused of teaching people to beat lie detector tests... by nitrogen on Sunday September 01, 2013 @02:34PM (#6311487)
Sometimes people are just serially unlucky. The population of the US alone is large enough that 1-in-a-million coincidences could be happening over 300 times a day.
Re:Man accused of teaching people to beat lie detector tests... by pyre on Sunday September 01, 2013 @05:29AM (#6309654)
At least in the case where the opposing counsel was being rude, I could see that as someone that would respect another lawyer, but feels that they are superior (and therefore above) a person that is representing themselves.
Re:Man accused of teaching people to beat lie detector tests... by 6d0debc071 on Sunday September 01, 2013 @10:40AM (#6310540)
Finding a good lawyer is difficult. I find the best thing to do to be to ask my friends about their lawyers ^_^
Re:Man accused of teaching people to beat lie detector tests... by Amadou on Sunday September 01, 2013 @11:02AM (#6310616)
A bad lawyer is rarely bad in every single case. Going with the recommendations of friends is basically going with anecdotal evidence.

Most bar associations operate a referral service that weeds out lawyers with bad histories. You pay the bar ~$100 and they give you the contact info for the next lawyer in the queue who practices in the field you need.

At least this way you can be sure of getting a lawyer who does not have a history of screwing over any clients badly enough to get a complaint filed rather than a lawyer who did not screw over the one client who happens to be your friend.

Re:Man accused of teaching people to beat lie detector tests... by 6d0debc071 on Sunday September 01, 2013 @05:09PM (#6312158)
I don't know why, but I've always had more luck asking people about lawyers than I have getting lists off of legal organisations. Perhaps because the interactions people have with lawyers are more refined than just whether they messed up the case completely or not?

That is good advice though ^_^

Re:Man accused of teaching people to beat lie detector tests... by ghshephard on Sunday September 01, 2013 @02:22AM (#6309331)
Are you trying to suggest that if I had a bad dating experience that I shouldn't write off an entire gender? Or that if I had a bad boss that I shouldn't tar all of management as useless? Or if I had a bad taxi-driver (or two or three) that I shouldn't suggests that "I will never respect or trust a taxi-driver again?"

On what basis are you suggesting that one or two anecdotes don't allow me to completely profile an entire population of millions (in the case of gender Billions) of people?

Re:Man accused of teaching people to beat lie detector tests... by mikeash on Sunday September 01, 2013 @10:19AM (#6310449)
Generalizing an entire population based on a single experience just doesn't work. I did it once and I turned out to be completely wrong.
Re:Man accused of teaching people to beat lie detector tests... by Zuider on Sunday September 01, 2013 @01:48PM (#6311294)
Sometimes, a single observation is enough to make generalizations. It depends on the context. For instance, dipping your toe into water before immersing yourself will give you an accurate enough idea of the temperature of the main body of water.

In this case, the wife's lawyer appeared to believe that she was in a cultural milieu where it was acceptable practice, not only to jeer and snort on the sidelines, but to lie to the judge about what the OP said.

Re:Man accused of teaching people to beat lie detector tests... by rlx0x on Sunday September 01, 2013 @01:29AM (#6309253)
Funny I was actually thinking the opposite, why in the world did you ever respect or trust a lawyer!?
Re:Man accused of teaching people to beat lie detector tests... by DannyBee on Sunday September 01, 2013 @09:33PM (#6313009)
The same reason you'd respect or trust anyone else?