I think that's the point, I think Angular is easier also. But once you've mastered Ember, what you can do with Ember in a timeframe, greatly exceeds that of Angular. It's extremely powerful.

Let's not go there again, shall we?

My personal story is that while I liked Ember, it lacked a bunch of other things that were painful to find elsewhere and integrate with Ember (such as includes). I switched to AngularJS because it gives me all this (and many more) out of the box.

Still, I'm not going to start preaching that AngularJS "greatly exceeds Ember".

Because it doesn't - here's a great article examining the scope of the two.

http://eviltrout.com/2013/06/15/ember-vs-angular.html

It's great to make the decision to focus on simplicity over scope - that's a good, defensible choice and I don't think anyone here will fault you for it. But an honest understanding of the extra features you gave up to make that choice will go a long way.

Huh, that's an interesting perspective. What makes it more powerful? Is it a higher level of abstraction thing, like PG suggests makes one language more powerful than another?

This kind of reaction reminds me of the early days of Rails and Django.

Ah, the good old days…

Small examples. Tried understanding something more complicates and got buried in lots of $ signs, scopes, directives, services. Sometimes stuff doesn't work as expected so digging through a huge swatches of angular.js code to understand how somethings works.