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Re:Railroads beware: Technology is gaining on you by Spooky23 on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @01:12PM (#6284729)
Interesting long-term issue.

I think the next decade or two of railroad history are all about moving commodities like oil and produce. Hyperloop is all about passengers (something the rail industry has never cared out) 3D printing requires raw materials to print stuff, which will drive more demand for rail transport. Nothing can move billions of plastic pellets faster and cheaper than a train.

Re:Railroads beware: Technology is gaining on you by sghill on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @02:32PM (#6285253)
> Hyperloop is all about passengers (something the rail industry has never cared out)

This is disingenuous. In the 150+ years of North American rail, many of America's most intricate architectural structures[1] are train stations, and they certainly weren't making that investment for freight. The dining car service was also typically a loss leader, designed with the sole purpose of attracting customers. Freight never complains, though, and ends up being much better to transport.

[1]: http://www.nps.gov/stea/planyourvisit/lackawanna-station-100...

Re:Railroads beware: Technology is gaining on you by kposehn on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @01:23PM (#6284804)
Well, we may find a hyperloop is better for transporting the smaller pieces of a commodity. After all, if you can just send a crate instead of a container, you can send to the buyer exactly what they need and nothing more. The issue with bulk freight is once you've made the pellets, at some point they have to be divided up.

I think something like a hyperloop will do very well for less-than-carload/container freight, but would probably never transport the massive volumes of bulk products (chemicals, wood, oil, coal, ore, steel coils, etc.)

Re:Railroads beware: Technology is gaining on you by Spooky23 on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @01:55PM (#6285025)
Railroads lost 99.9% of that business 70-100 years ago.

You ship stuff that doesn't have time-definite requirements with UPS Ground or Parcel Post. Time definite, you use an express service. If you have time definate needs and larger quantities, you use FedEx Custom Critical, or some LTL truck service.

Some folks today ship same-day parcel shipments via Amtrak, Southwest Airlines, or other passenger service. That's what hyperloop parcel delivery would compete with. It's onerous and expensive (ie. I need a guy to drive to the station with the thing I need to ship), and only makes sense if you have an office adjacent to the city pairs or airport. Lawyers used this service alot pre-internet.

Re:Railroads beware: Technology is gaining on you by kposehn on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @02:16PM (#6285147)
Do you think that a hyperloop wouldn't be practical for high-margin finished goods?

I'm thinking things that are intermodal freight, like a container of TV's bound for a CostCo in San Diego, shipped from Long Beach.

Re:Railroads beware: Technology is gaining on you by oijaf888 on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @02:01PM (#6285059)
Who took that business in 1913ish? USPS was carried via rail until at least the 50s.
Re:Railroads beware: Technology is gaining on you by jessaustin on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @02:13PM (#6285135)
Trucks powered by internal combustion engines? It's not an all-or-nothing thing; many products even today have a rail segment somewhere in their delivery to the consumer. Even so, for rail to grow much it has to take business from trucking.
Re:Railroads beware: Technology is gaining on you by oijaf888 on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @02:26PM (#6285222)
There wasn't much in roads or trucks for long distance travel in the early 1900s. I believe it took roughly 30 days to do the trip across the country on the Lincoln Highway as opposed to 7 days via the train.

I would expect if you look at the volume of freight shipped via rail vs trucks it wouldn't be until the 1950s and the creation of the interstate system that it really took off. Containerization in the 50s and 60s would be another big boon to trucking.

Re:Railroads beware: Technology is gaining on you by pm90 on Tuesday August 27, 2013 @01:37PM (#6284910)
>I think something like a hyperloop will do very well for less-than-carload/container freight, but would probably never transport the massive volumes of bulk products (chemicals, wood, oil, coal, ore, steel coils, etc.)

Exactly. The hyperloop network would probably cost much more due to the extensive passenger safety features that need to be (hopefully) built into it