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Re:Yahoo tops Google in US traffic by espeed on Thursday August 22, 2013 @12:33AM (#6255187)
P.S. Your (Google, again) elimination of the + operator in your search queries was, again anecdotally, another factor in the declining performance of your searches for me.

+1 to that. At the least Google should have added a ++ operator to replace the co-opted +.

Re:Yahoo tops Google in US traffic by codex on Thursday August 22, 2013 @12:40AM (#6255203)
"Quote" the search term. That's the replacement for +.
Re:Yahoo tops Google in US traffic by dmpk2k on Thursday August 22, 2013 @02:07AM (#6255407)
I'm not sure if my memory is playing tricks on my, but I've found quotes unreliable. Google will spit out "close" suggestions that have nothing to do with what I requested, despite using quotes.

Google also happily returns results which do not fulfill even the "close" suggestions: e.g. I ask for three words, Google searches for those three words, and returns a bunch of pages that contain only two or one of those words. Google, that's not what I asked for.

Google's attempts to tweak my queries and also return results that don't fulfill all requirements makes it much less useful to me, because they usually backfire. I don't want my queries tweaked -- I want exactly what I asked for, and only what I asked for. If I made a mistake, I can figure it out and fix it myself.

Re:Yahoo tops Google in US traffic by m_ram on Thursday August 22, 2013 @05:00AM (#6255988)
> I'm not sure if my memory is playing tricks on my, but I've found quotes unreliable. Google will spit out "close" suggestions that have nothing to do with what I requested, despite using quotes.

I noticed the same a few months ago. If you want an exact match you have to click on "Search tools" >> "All results" >> "Verbatim".

Re:Yahoo tops Google in US traffic by thisisnotatest on Thursday August 22, 2013 @12:52PM (#6258288)
For what it's worth, I assure you that putting a "query" "term" in "quotes" is identical to the retired +plus +sign +operator.

I would be very curious, if you set up Verbatim search as your default search engine in your browser, how often you have to "fix" it, and if you ever find it easier to see what Google makes of your non-verbatim query. I'd especially be interested in how often the thing you're searching for doesn't really exist on the web, and so Google is replacing "no results" with "off-topic results."

Re:Yahoo tops Google in US traffic by conradfr on Thursday August 22, 2013 @03:58AM (#6255777)
"Quote" does not work these days, it still presents results you with alternatives to the "Quote".
Re:Yahoo tops Google in US traffic by thisisnotatest on Thursday August 22, 2013 @12:55PM (#6258309)
I think the only time that Google changes a word in quotes is if the spelling algorithm is very confident. For example, if you searched for [barack obama "autobiolgraphy"], you are going to get results for "autobiography" with the option to really search for "autobiolgraphy".

Other than that, I'm pretty sure that a word in "quotes" must appear in the result to be retrieved, without any alternatives. If you have a counter-example, I would love to see it! (I work on that code.)

Re:Yahoo tops Google in US traffic by IanCal on Thursday August 22, 2013 @04:11AM (#6255825)
You need to use "verbatim" mode. It's under "Search tools" and then in the dropdown starting with "All results".
Re:Yahoo tops Google in US traffic by anonymoushn on Thursday August 22, 2013 @04:46AM (#6255941)
This applies to the whole query, so there's not really any analogue to "foo bar +baz".
Re:Yahoo tops Google in US traffic by conradfr on Thursday August 22, 2013 @05:56AM (#6256181)
Oh so that's what this "verbatim" thing is, I'll look into it thanks.
Re:Yahoo tops Google in US traffic by espeed on Thursday August 22, 2013 @01:33AM (#6255318)
Yes, but it's a PITA.
Re:Yahoo tops Google in US traffic by fsckin on Thursday August 22, 2013 @01:34AM (#6255319)
Yep. That adds more keystrokes to optimize a query that didn't give the best results the first time.

It'd be nice if there were an option to revert the behavior.

Re:Yahoo tops Google in US traffic by raldi on Thursday August 22, 2013 @09:34AM (#6256998)
No, the replacement is Search Tools --> Verbatim